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bespoke radio for the masses headline

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edition july 8 1947.

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the army air force's has announced that

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a flying bist has been found and is now

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in the possession of the army

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if the game is rigged change the game

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game changer

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i occasionally think how quickly our

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differences worldwide

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would vanish

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if we were facing an alien threat from

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fade to world with your host jimmy

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church on the game changer radio network

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i need your help to get to the year

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1985.

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you are listening to fade to black with

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jimmy church on the game changer network

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welcome fade to black i'm your host

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jimmy church

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fade to black bespoke radio for the

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278 days into the new year only 87 days

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left how you doing

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all right we are live from a bunker

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somewhere in the middle of nowhere a

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total undisclosed location but it is

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beautiful i would like to welcome

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everybody listening all around the world

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all across the united states

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hitherto and fro back and forth up and

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this is fade to block for kjcr the game

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i'm yours jimmy church what is cracking

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everybody how you doing

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tonight is our 1500th

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1500 our guest tonight

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grant's going to be with us at the

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tomorrow night is another fader night

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with open lines all night long the

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747-228-2051 we'll see you tomorrow

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night for fader night

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i will be at the star wars usa ufo's all

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1500 tonight yeah just uh just tweet

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a newly developed bipedal robot can

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onto an aerial drone no not a caltech

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design the bot with both walking and

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develop specialized software that

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is the creepiest thing you have ever

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nice hair i have good today's a good

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today's a good hair i took a shower

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party i don't know if you guys know this

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uh i just you know have to prep for that

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who was hospitalized with life a

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aquarium to blame her fish tank

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that is so you can go and look this up

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william shatner captain kirk

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is boldly going where jeff bezos has

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blue origin has announced that the star

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will fly to space on board the company's

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new shepard spacecraft

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joining him will be audrey powers the

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company's vice president of mission and

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flight operations along with crewmates

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oldest person ever to fly in space

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that record's going to hold for a while

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let's get this show crack and happy

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birthday to today one of my favorites

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elizabeth you today is 57

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and you know you think about elizabeth

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you you know leaving las vegas or

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whether whatever that the the movie you

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jennifer parker that's right marty

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mcfly's girlfriend in back to the future

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basis paul martinez today is 74

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and paul martinez is one of the greatest

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bass players in the world he has played

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with everybody

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but he played on three or four of my

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favorite records like of all time

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he played on robert plants

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pictures at 11 that bass player

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he played on robert plants the principle

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one of one of robert's greatest he

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played on robber plants shaken and

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he was in the honey drippers that's

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sea of love

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right right that's paul martinez he's

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amazing happy birthday 74 years old

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and r-e-o speedwagon

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the front man the singer

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kevin cronin today is 70 years old on

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this day in history 1981

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man i

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this was one of the most incredible

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videos i'd ever seen it's like straight

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out of a movie

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islamic extremist assassinate anwar

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sadat the president of egypt as he

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reviews troops on the anniversary of the

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yom kippur war

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parades going by military parade there's

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a truck stops a bunch of dudes jump out

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anwar sitting in that little thing with

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all of the staff and they're just

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hurling grenades

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i was like what

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machine gun it was crazy on this day in

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1981

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pepperoni

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bell peppers

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you didn't know that did you

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i'm not sure i'm not sure

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but italians just have to laugh at at

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oh man

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you gotta you gotta

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you go to italy i'm just picturing this

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you're like i would like uh

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i would like a pepperoni pizza

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with mushrooms

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pizza comes to the table it's mushrooms

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and bell peppers i'm just saying

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they're just laughing at they would do

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that they know right but they would do

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that just because i would

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all right tonight our 1500th show

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grant cameron is our guest we're going

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to talk about his new book but it is our

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1500th show

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couldn't imagine a better guest

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all right grant cameron is here tomorrow

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night's another fader night with open

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lines

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all night long all right let me get my

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chair in the right spot my chair this is

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the center

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logo there's the camera why am i over

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here i i don't know the the the clock

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the camera the console

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the thing chair center why

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i have no idea

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none

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all right let me hit this river moon

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rivermoonwellness.com

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tonight is our 1500th show

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and normally i would say how did we get

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here

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well

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tonight on this anniversary i'm going to

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we

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have left kgra

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uh we let kgra know last week that we

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were leaving we gave them a two-week

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notice that we were

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uh

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going to air our last show with them on

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october 13th that was the plan two week

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notice do the right thing you'd be

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professional

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you do all of that stuff

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and i didn't want to announce uh what

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we were doing and and things because

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it's a big deal but also uh just to be

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professional and show kgra some respect

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you don't announce anything until later

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you don't do it

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well i'm announcing all of this tonight

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instead of on october 13th because kgra

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um just decided to air our last show

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last night without telling me anything i

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still have kgra drops playing in the

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show

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as a courtesy to them

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and and wanted to be cool because i am

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cool and have those air until the 13th

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and then we leave and then we make the

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change over that's being professional

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being cool it's courteous it's the way

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to do things and so

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now they forced my hand and i'm making

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this announcement early

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and uh and yeah it's simply not cool but

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i don't care

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um

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what i do care about is being

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professional

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and uh tonight on our 1500th show i had

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a whole other

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idea of things and a way to celebrate i

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don't want to do it like this

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but uh

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so uh

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there's a new network starting

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it's being run by race hobbs

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it's called an x

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u n x

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the on x network

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and

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is amazing

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uh

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i already know things

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and the

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the shows that are lined up the the

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network

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what

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wow that was crazy

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what

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oh man

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this radio's going off

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what

378
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that's crazy

379
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it's a it's a recording

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on the emergency channel

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what low voltage

382
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what

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okay

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well we'll get back to it just came out

385
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of nowhere i forget what i was talking

386
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about oh oh the new network on x

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so

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uh

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it's launching on october 31st fade to

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black is going to be there

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monday through thursday uh four nights a

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week live

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and

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the

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uh with fade to black that night on

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october 31st

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it's like whoa

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okay so i'm just letting everybody know

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that this

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is going to be great

401
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and the people that are involved the

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show hosts that are involved and and how

403
00:21:27,750 --> 00:21:25,679
this network is

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is going to present itself

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is uh

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is is

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paradigm shifting

408
00:21:38,630 --> 00:21:35,760
all right so again

409
00:21:41,029 --> 00:21:38,640
uh the website hasn't launched yet we

410
00:21:41,990 --> 00:21:41,039
were all of this was happening in in a

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week

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uh because of uh

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00:21:51,029 --> 00:21:47,840
uh that that other network uh which is

414
00:21:54,950 --> 00:21:51,039
very quickly going to be nameless

415
00:21:56,710 --> 00:21:54,960
uh will won't be mentioned anymore on on

416
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on this show

417
00:22:00,230 --> 00:21:58,640
um the programming tonight you're going

418
00:22:03,190 --> 00:22:00,240
to hear

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00:22:05,750 --> 00:22:03,200
the kgra drops and that's why they are

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00:22:07,350 --> 00:22:05,760
there out of a professional courtesy to

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be classy

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00:22:13,110 --> 00:22:10,400
and tomorrow those are going to be gone

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and and that's their choice it's uh it's

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unbelievable

425
00:22:18,390 --> 00:22:16,640
so and by the way i'm just going to let

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everybody know

427
00:22:25,029 --> 00:22:22,000
i uh i let kgra know

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00:22:28,070 --> 00:22:25,039
and it's right here it says

429
00:22:30,310 --> 00:22:28,080
never contact me again about anything

430
00:22:32,549 --> 00:22:30,320
didn't have to be that way i sent them a

431
00:22:35,430 --> 00:22:32,559
very cool letter

432
00:22:38,390 --> 00:22:35,440
very cool and wow

433
00:22:42,070 --> 00:22:38,400
wow just uncool so anyway um

434
00:22:45,830 --> 00:22:42,080
now the 1500th show

435
00:22:48,149 --> 00:22:45,840
if you do the math and and we're doing

436
00:22:49,669 --> 00:22:48,159
let's see here let's let's do the math

437
00:22:51,430 --> 00:22:49,679
and i was going to do this earlier but

438
00:22:53,110 --> 00:22:51,440
let's do it in real time

439
00:22:54,950 --> 00:22:53,120
if um

440
00:22:56,710 --> 00:22:54,960
we're doing four

441
00:22:58,230 --> 00:22:56,720
times

442
00:23:02,149 --> 00:22:58,240
52

443
00:23:06,870 --> 00:23:02,159
that's 208 shows a year

444
00:23:11,029 --> 00:23:06,880
all right 208 shows a year

445
00:23:12,710 --> 00:23:11,039
and so if you do

446
00:23:15,190 --> 00:23:12,720
uh

447
00:23:20,390 --> 00:23:15,200
if you do

448
00:23:25,430 --> 00:23:22,549
yeah seven

449
00:23:27,669 --> 00:23:25,440
7.2 years

450
00:23:29,190 --> 00:23:27,679
that's uh that's crazy and it's it's

451
00:23:31,510 --> 00:23:29,200
longer than that because we did three

452
00:23:34,830 --> 00:23:31,520
shows a week at one point

453
00:23:37,350 --> 00:23:34,840
uh for a while for almost a year

454
00:23:39,270 --> 00:23:37,360
so yeah is that a weather emergency i

455
00:23:41,430 --> 00:23:39,280
don't know i i don't know what they were

456
00:23:52,870 --> 00:23:41,440
saying

457
00:23:54,870 --> 00:23:52,880
i on the emergency channel

458
00:23:58,950 --> 00:23:54,880
i don't know

459
00:24:00,470 --> 00:23:58,960
okay um

460
00:24:02,470 --> 00:24:00,480
that's not what i heard i heard another

461
00:24:06,070 --> 00:24:02,480
language um i don't even know what

462
00:24:08,390 --> 00:24:06,080
language it was so 1500 shows

463
00:24:11,269 --> 00:24:08,400
and had 200

464
00:24:12,230 --> 00:24:11,279
shows a year

465
00:24:14,310 --> 00:24:12,240
so

466
00:24:15,190 --> 00:24:14,320
yeah well wait a minute 7.2 years no

467
00:24:19,350 --> 00:24:15,200
that

468
00:24:21,190 --> 00:24:19,360
another thousand shows yeah i guess

469
00:24:24,710 --> 00:24:21,200
that's about right

470
00:24:26,789 --> 00:24:24,720
yeah so two yeah two and a half years

471
00:24:27,990 --> 00:24:26,799
for us to get to show number uh two

472
00:24:30,830 --> 00:24:28,000
thousand so we're not going to get to

473
00:24:36,310 --> 00:24:30,840
that to 2023.

474
00:24:39,750 --> 00:24:36,320
wow uh yeah maybe 2024. that's why i'm

475
00:24:40,630 --> 00:24:39,760
talking about show number 1500 tonight

476
00:24:48,470 --> 00:24:40,640
and

477
00:24:51,110 --> 00:24:48,480
uh

478
00:24:51,830 --> 00:24:51,120
the original ideas

479
00:24:53,669 --> 00:24:51,840
uh

480
00:24:55,590 --> 00:24:53,679
for fade to black and they had another

481
00:24:58,710 --> 00:24:55,600
name jimmy church against the world i

482
00:25:00,630 --> 00:24:58,720
believe is is what we did and again this

483
00:25:02,870 --> 00:25:00,640
is eight years ago nine years ago when

484
00:25:04,470 --> 00:25:02,880
we made the changeovers

485
00:25:06,710 --> 00:25:04,480
so

486
00:25:09,350 --> 00:25:06,720
uh but the original idea behind the show

487
00:25:12,230 --> 00:25:09,360
because i i was doing sports at the time

488
00:25:16,230 --> 00:25:12,240
and i but but that's not what i wanted i

489
00:25:19,029 --> 00:25:16,240
enjoy sports um and or at least i did

490
00:25:22,070 --> 00:25:19,039
and i wanted a a way to have like a

491
00:25:25,350 --> 00:25:22,080
variety show i wanted a variety show and

492
00:25:27,110 --> 00:25:25,360
and i was going to do almost like in

493
00:25:29,510 --> 00:25:27,120
three hours i was going to do like a

494
00:25:31,269 --> 00:25:29,520
half hour sports and a half hour of ufos

495
00:25:34,149 --> 00:25:31,279
and a half hour of cryptids and a half

496
00:25:35,990 --> 00:25:34,159
hour of ghost and the paranormal and and

497
00:25:38,070 --> 00:25:36,000
a half hour of ancient history and a

498
00:25:39,269 --> 00:25:38,080
half hour of conspiracies and i was

499
00:25:40,470 --> 00:25:39,279
going to break it up like that i was

500
00:25:42,549 --> 00:25:40,480
going to bring in like five guests

501
00:25:43,909 --> 00:25:42,559
tonight and that that that was the

502
00:25:45,830 --> 00:25:43,919
original

503
00:25:46,950 --> 00:25:45,840
idea behind it

504
00:25:48,630 --> 00:25:46,960
and

505
00:25:50,390 --> 00:25:48,640
uh

506
00:25:52,149 --> 00:25:50,400
obviously that changed it a little bit

507
00:25:53,190 --> 00:25:52,159
uh changed a lot

508
00:25:55,830 --> 00:25:53,200
but

509
00:25:57,669 --> 00:25:55,840
as i thought about things and that was

510
00:26:00,870 --> 00:25:57,679
pretty ambitious you know can you

511
00:26:01,750 --> 00:26:00,880
imagine booking five guests a night

512
00:26:05,669 --> 00:26:01,760
uh

513
00:26:07,190 --> 00:26:05,679
for for three four nights a week live

514
00:26:09,909 --> 00:26:07,200
it's a lot of work but it was a great

515
00:26:11,110 --> 00:26:09,919
idea it could still happen uh who knows

516
00:26:15,029 --> 00:26:11,120
but

517
00:26:17,669 --> 00:26:15,039
as i thought about this

518
00:26:19,750 --> 00:26:17,679
i was like why don't i

519
00:26:22,630 --> 00:26:19,760
just cover all of these subjects and

520
00:26:24,390 --> 00:26:22,640
maybe do them all in one show

521
00:26:27,350 --> 00:26:24,400
or maybe do

522
00:26:28,310 --> 00:26:27,360
uh different themes uh each night of the

523
00:26:29,750 --> 00:26:28,320
week

524
00:26:32,070 --> 00:26:29,760
but i

525
00:26:36,789 --> 00:26:32,080
could talk about all of these things

526
00:26:38,950 --> 00:26:36,799
and then i made a decision

527
00:26:40,230 --> 00:26:38,960
i made a decision

528
00:26:42,470 --> 00:26:40,240
no

529
00:26:45,190 --> 00:26:42,480
sports

530
00:26:47,510 --> 00:26:45,200
and when i made that decision i want you

531
00:26:52,390 --> 00:26:47,520
to think about how

532
00:26:56,710 --> 00:26:52,400
how much i cut sports out of my life

533
00:26:58,549 --> 00:26:56,720
on my birthdays each night

534
00:26:59,510 --> 00:26:58,559
no sports figures

535
00:27:01,750 --> 00:26:59,520
none

536
00:27:03,669 --> 00:27:01,760
well they have birthdays too

537
00:27:07,269 --> 00:27:03,679
none

538
00:27:09,510 --> 00:27:07,279
do you hear any sports news

539
00:27:11,190 --> 00:27:09,520
none

540
00:27:13,909 --> 00:27:11,200
i

541
00:27:15,590 --> 00:27:13,919
cut sports out

542
00:27:16,950 --> 00:27:15,600
completely sports is not going to be

543
00:27:18,310 --> 00:27:16,960
covered on the show and of course the

544
00:27:20,149 --> 00:27:18,320
other stuff goes along with that i don't

545
00:27:21,430 --> 00:27:20,159
want to do religion they want to do

546
00:27:23,590 --> 00:27:21,440
politics

547
00:27:24,870 --> 00:27:23,600
and they want to do government i don't

548
00:27:26,789 --> 00:27:24,880
want to do any of that unless it was a

549
00:27:28,789 --> 00:27:26,799
conspiracy tie to it

550
00:27:32,230 --> 00:27:28,799
and that is how

551
00:27:33,990 --> 00:27:32,240
originally before the show launched

552
00:27:36,310 --> 00:27:34,000
how the ideas you know you're

553
00:27:38,470 --> 00:27:36,320
whiteboarding these ideas and and what

554
00:27:40,789 --> 00:27:38,480
was the show going to be

555
00:27:42,630 --> 00:27:40,799
well the show was going to be from the

556
00:27:45,669 --> 00:27:42,640
beginning

557
00:27:47,029 --> 00:27:45,679
things that i enjoy

558
00:27:48,149 --> 00:27:47,039
you know and maybe that's what the show

559
00:27:49,029 --> 00:27:48,159
should have been called not fade to

560
00:27:51,669 --> 00:27:49,039
black

561
00:27:53,430 --> 00:27:51,679
things that i enjoy

562
00:27:56,149 --> 00:27:53,440
with jimmy church

563
00:27:57,669 --> 00:27:56,159
and and and and i

564
00:28:00,549 --> 00:27:57,679
and that's it

565
00:28:04,070 --> 00:28:00,559
i decided to

566
00:28:05,750 --> 00:28:04,080
just talk about the things where i'm

567
00:28:07,590 --> 00:28:05,760
comfortable

568
00:28:09,110 --> 00:28:07,600
that i don't have to venture out i don't

569
00:28:10,630 --> 00:28:09,120
have to go into something i don't know

570
00:28:12,230 --> 00:28:10,640
anything about i don't have to bring on

571
00:28:14,470 --> 00:28:12,240
a guest that i don't know i don't have

572
00:28:16,470 --> 00:28:14,480
to bring on i guess to talk about a

573
00:28:18,470 --> 00:28:16,480
subject that i know nothing about

574
00:28:20,070 --> 00:28:18,480
and you know for ratings or for numbers

575
00:28:20,870 --> 00:28:20,080
of this and that you know and

576
00:28:27,510 --> 00:28:20,880
no

577
00:28:28,950 --> 00:28:27,520
that i only talked about the stuff that

578
00:28:31,590 --> 00:28:28,960
makes me happy

579
00:28:33,510 --> 00:28:31,600
that's it and

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and eventually

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when we start off with one listener

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that eventually

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there would be

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uh a collection

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of of people in this audience

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00:28:49,990 --> 00:28:47,919
that also

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like the same things that i do

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and eventually over time

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i would i would make that connection so

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that the people that are here which are

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00:29:02,149 --> 00:28:59,760
you know today it's the fader not that

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00:29:04,070 --> 00:29:02,159
the people that are here

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00:29:06,789 --> 00:29:04,080
get it

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00:29:11,590 --> 00:29:06,799
but

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history it's the paranormal it's time

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00:29:15,909 --> 00:29:12,720
travel

597
00:29:18,070 --> 00:29:15,919
it's it's food it's it's guitars it's

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00:29:19,110 --> 00:29:18,080
music it's heavy metal it's all music

599
00:29:22,310 --> 00:29:19,120
it's all

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00:29:25,590 --> 00:29:22,320
all things it's great films and great tv

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00:29:28,230 --> 00:29:25,600
series and great breakfast cereal the

602
00:29:30,470 --> 00:29:28,240
things that make me happy that i know a

603
00:29:32,230 --> 00:29:30,480
lot about and that i want to talk about

604
00:29:33,190 --> 00:29:32,240
and i want to find out more about these

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00:29:35,590 --> 00:29:33,200
things

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00:29:37,510 --> 00:29:35,600
and as it turns out

607
00:29:38,870 --> 00:29:37,520
i was thinking man well maybe there's a

608
00:29:42,789 --> 00:29:38,880
couple of people out there like that

609
00:29:43,830 --> 00:29:42,799
well it turns out that there is a lot

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and

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00:29:49,669 --> 00:29:47,679
uh obviously grew

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00:29:51,430 --> 00:29:49,679
and continued but we we were able to do

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00:29:55,190 --> 00:29:51,440
this four nights a week

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00:29:57,350 --> 00:29:55,200
and and just stay in my comfort zone and

615
00:29:59,510 --> 00:29:57,360
and so when that happens and i'm already

616
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blowing past a commercial break

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um

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and when that happens i'm more

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comfortable and so is the audience you

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guys you guys know what to expect every

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single night you're going to get some

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goofiness you're going to get some

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seriousness you're going to get a rant

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00:30:15,190 --> 00:30:14,080
you're going to get some cool news

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uh you're going to get some cool

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birthdays that don't include sports

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you're going to get

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every single night at 7 p.m pacific time

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it happens and we will be here and we've

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done that now for eight years tonight's

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our 1500th show i want to thank all of

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you i'm humbled honored surprised

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and very happy

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it's our 1500th show tonight with grant

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cameron

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and we're going to be talking about his

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new book

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that he wrote with nicole sakich

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it is called triangles aliens and

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messages we're going to do all of that

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00:30:58,549 --> 00:30:56,240
and much more tonight with grant

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i'm your host jimmy church

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on kjcr

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the game changer network

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and soon to be

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on x

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no more kgra that's in the rear view

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mirror i'll be right back after this

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short break with grant cameron stay with

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us

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this is nicole church daughter of you

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know who and you're listening to fade to

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on the game changer radio network and

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you're listening to jimmy

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what's up i'm chris what up this is kyle

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[Music]

747
00:36:11,510 --> 00:36:09,440
all right welcome back fade to black i

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am your host jimmy church tonight is our

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1500th show

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big night tonight

751
00:36:21,030 --> 00:36:18,160
with the very best grant cameron

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00:36:24,150 --> 00:36:21,040
is joining us we're talking about his uh

753
00:36:26,950 --> 00:36:24,160
new book co-author with nicole socket

754
00:36:28,069 --> 00:36:26,960
triangles aliens and messages but it's

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grant

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00:36:32,950 --> 00:36:30,160
which means this conversation is gonna

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go wherever it's gonna go

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00:36:37,510 --> 00:36:34,960
i love it grant has been a ufo

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researcher since 1975

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and he has recognized uh as both

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00:36:43,349 --> 00:36:41,920
the leads conference international

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00:36:45,510 --> 00:36:43,359
researcher of the year and the ufo

763
00:36:47,750 --> 00:36:45,520
congress researcher of the year world

764
00:36:50,150 --> 00:36:47,760
renowned expert on ufos conspiracies

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00:36:52,310 --> 00:36:50,160
government cover-ups lately it's been

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00:36:53,829 --> 00:36:52,320
about consciousness and music

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00:36:56,150 --> 00:36:53,839
we're going to get to all of that he has

768
00:36:57,589 --> 00:36:56,160
spent decades watching and chronicling

769
00:36:59,270 --> 00:36:57,599
all of the developments around the

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00:37:01,829 --> 00:36:59,280
extraterrestrial

771
00:37:04,230 --> 00:37:01,839
world and of course he is also the

772
00:37:05,349 --> 00:37:04,240
author of charlie redstar and his new

773
00:37:07,589 --> 00:37:05,359
book that we're going to be talking

774
00:37:09,349 --> 00:37:07,599
about tonight and uh all of his links

775
00:37:11,349 --> 00:37:09,359
are over at jimmychurchradio.com we've

776
00:37:12,950 --> 00:37:11,359
got them up in

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uh social media and i would like to

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welcome back to fade to block

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grant cameron fresh off the road

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00:37:20,310 --> 00:37:19,359
from uh a football match how you doing

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00:37:21,910 --> 00:37:20,320
grant

782
00:37:23,670 --> 00:37:21,920
just fine jimmy thanks for having me on

783
00:37:26,550 --> 00:37:23,680
i appreciate it man i'll see you again

784
00:37:29,030 --> 00:37:26,560
yeah it's good to see you and and uh it

785
00:37:30,790 --> 00:37:29,040
was so funny because i called you

786
00:37:33,510 --> 00:37:30,800
uh both during

787
00:37:34,550 --> 00:37:33,520
and after uh the match up there in

788
00:37:36,710 --> 00:37:34,560
canada

789
00:37:38,310 --> 00:37:36,720
and i was fully jealous man i mean

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00:37:40,470 --> 00:37:38,320
you're out there uh

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00:37:41,910 --> 00:37:40,480
uh you know after everything that has

792
00:37:43,270 --> 00:37:41,920
gone down in the last couple of years

793
00:37:44,870 --> 00:37:43,280
getting out

794
00:37:47,910 --> 00:37:44,880
and and doing something like that is

795
00:37:49,910 --> 00:37:47,920
pretty cool um how did that feel to uh

796
00:37:52,710 --> 00:37:49,920
you know walk down streets and and go

797
00:37:55,270 --> 00:37:52,720
into uh a giant arena

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00:37:57,430 --> 00:37:55,280
and participate in public events

799
00:37:58,710 --> 00:37:57,440
well it's it's it's better in canada

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00:38:00,470 --> 00:37:58,720
once you're when you're in your own

801
00:38:02,630 --> 00:38:00,480
country you can move around uh without

802
00:38:04,390 --> 00:38:02,640
much restriction i was just actually

803
00:38:06,790 --> 00:38:04,400
last month in illinois

804
00:38:09,190 --> 00:38:06,800
at the big metaphysical tribe conference

805
00:38:11,829 --> 00:38:09,200
there and that was like just horrible i

806
00:38:13,910 --> 00:38:11,839
mean it was like a covet test going in

807
00:38:17,030 --> 00:38:13,920
covet tests coming back

808
00:38:18,870 --> 00:38:17,040
hassled by u.s

809
00:38:20,470 --> 00:38:18,880
homeland security again so i said at

810
00:38:22,230 --> 00:38:20,480
that point i said no more lecturing in

811
00:38:23,829 --> 00:38:22,240
the states because basically

812
00:38:25,589 --> 00:38:23,839
um i thought it was going to get sent

813
00:38:29,109 --> 00:38:25,599
home because i have as you know i was

814
00:38:31,270 --> 00:38:29,119
refused entry in 2005 coming to la

815
00:38:33,990 --> 00:38:31,280
and basically what they're what they've

816
00:38:36,790 --> 00:38:34,000
told me now is if i accept a plane

817
00:38:39,589 --> 00:38:36,800
ticket a a dinner a

818
00:38:41,190 --> 00:38:39,599
hotel room i'm getting paid and i don't

819
00:38:41,990 --> 00:38:41,200
have a green card and you're going home

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00:38:44,069 --> 00:38:42,000
so

821
00:38:45,430 --> 00:38:44,079
it was uh it was it was a horrible

822
00:38:47,589 --> 00:38:45,440
situation but

823
00:38:49,349 --> 00:38:47,599
inside canada when i was going to see my

824
00:38:50,790 --> 00:38:49,359
son there the weird thing about there is

825
00:38:52,790 --> 00:38:50,800
it's vancouver it's probably the same in

826
00:38:54,710 --> 00:38:52,800
la uh everybody's looking at million

827
00:38:56,630 --> 00:38:54,720
dollar houses and i'm going like i can't

828
00:38:58,870 --> 00:38:56,640
believe this you know my kids

829
00:39:01,750 --> 00:38:58,880
they're out looking on sunday for at a

830
00:39:03,270 --> 00:39:01,760
house 1.2 million dollars and that's 30

831
00:39:05,430 --> 00:39:03,280
miles out of vancouver it's just like

832
00:39:08,230 --> 00:39:05,440
crazy it's like gone insane and and and

833
00:39:10,550 --> 00:39:08,240
how big was it like a 1.2 million dollar

834
00:39:12,310 --> 00:39:10,560
house or or was it like

835
00:39:14,310 --> 00:39:12,320
some tiny little

836
00:39:16,630 --> 00:39:14,320
no it was a like a regular house with

837
00:39:18,470 --> 00:39:16,640
with with a yard but the the condo

838
00:39:19,990 --> 00:39:18,480
they're in it's just a two-bedroom condo

839
00:39:21,670 --> 00:39:20,000
like we call them chicken houses you

840
00:39:25,270 --> 00:39:21,680
know they're all one all stacked

841
00:39:27,349 --> 00:39:25,280
together and that was 560 000 so i mean

842
00:39:29,750 --> 00:39:27,359
the real estate there has just gone uh

843
00:39:31,510 --> 00:39:29,760
totally um insane everybody i guess

844
00:39:33,589 --> 00:39:31,520
everybody's uh figuring we can buy it

845
00:39:36,870 --> 00:39:33,599
now and if things get bad we can sell it

846
00:39:38,310 --> 00:39:36,880
for 200 000 equity next year it's uh so

847
00:39:40,390 --> 00:39:38,320
it was good to see my son he moved out

848
00:39:42,630 --> 00:39:40,400
there everybody in canada like i live in

849
00:39:44,230 --> 00:39:42,640
the coldest major city in the world and

850
00:39:46,470 --> 00:39:44,240
uh my son was pretty glad to get out of

851
00:39:48,470 --> 00:39:46,480
here and now he's in the uh the big city

852
00:39:49,750 --> 00:39:48,480
where it's uh you know warm all the time

853
00:39:52,150 --> 00:39:49,760
and uh

854
00:39:55,510 --> 00:39:52,160
so good for him i and and

855
00:39:57,990 --> 00:39:55,520
congratulations uh on that uh here in

856
00:40:00,870 --> 00:39:58,000
l.a i don't want to dwell on it but here

857
00:40:02,950 --> 00:40:00,880
in los angeles if you're in l.a county

858
00:40:04,550 --> 00:40:02,960
um

859
00:40:07,990 --> 00:40:04,560
i'm just going to throw this out there

860
00:40:12,150 --> 00:40:08,000
like in the city of burbank

861
00:40:13,589 --> 00:40:12,160
an 1100 square foot house 1100 square

862
00:40:16,150 --> 00:40:13,599
feet right

863
00:40:18,230 --> 00:40:16,160
smaller than my first apartment

864
00:40:20,230 --> 00:40:18,240
1100 square feet

865
00:40:22,309 --> 00:40:20,240
1.5 million

866
00:40:24,390 --> 00:40:22,319
wow and you know i'm talking about two

867
00:40:25,670 --> 00:40:24,400
bedrooms one bath

868
00:40:27,910 --> 00:40:25,680
right

869
00:40:28,950 --> 00:40:27,920
it's smaller than you can even think

870
00:40:31,670 --> 00:40:28,960
about

871
00:40:34,150 --> 00:40:31,680
and now look when you look at you know

872
00:40:38,950 --> 00:40:34,160
uh tokyo and hong kong and

873
00:40:40,550 --> 00:40:38,960
and and and moscow or london in new york

874
00:40:42,710 --> 00:40:40,560
these kind of prices don't really

875
00:40:44,470 --> 00:40:42,720
surprise you uh but but you're in a

876
00:40:47,030 --> 00:40:44,480
major metropolitan city i'm talking

877
00:40:47,910 --> 00:40:47,040
about anywhere in l.a you know pick a

878
00:40:51,510 --> 00:40:47,920
city

879
00:40:53,589 --> 00:40:51,520
and uh and and this is the other part

880
00:40:56,150 --> 00:40:53,599
there's no inventory

881
00:40:59,430 --> 00:40:56,160
there are no houses to buy

882
00:41:01,589 --> 00:40:59,440
and uh so yeah it's uh it's absolutely

883
00:41:03,589 --> 00:41:01,599
crazy and with you know the economy

884
00:41:05,670 --> 00:41:03,599
seems to be doing pretty good worldwide

885
00:41:06,870 --> 00:41:05,680
and considering everything that we went

886
00:41:10,150 --> 00:41:06,880
through

887
00:41:12,550 --> 00:41:10,160
um you wouldn't think that people have

888
00:41:14,950 --> 00:41:12,560
that kind of money housing prices have

889
00:41:17,109 --> 00:41:14,960
doubled in the last year you know it's

890
00:41:18,630 --> 00:41:17,119
crazy i know and one of the things i i'm

891
00:41:20,390 --> 00:41:18,640
always famous for my mcdonald's first

892
00:41:22,150 --> 00:41:20,400
thing i do in the morning i i walk off

893
00:41:23,750 --> 00:41:22,160
to mcdonald's and it's got to be like um

894
00:41:25,829 --> 00:41:23,760
you know a mile and a half two miles

895
00:41:27,109 --> 00:41:25,839
away so i walk up this hill straight up

896
00:41:28,710 --> 00:41:27,119
this hill for

897
00:41:30,390 --> 00:41:28,720
25 minutes i thought i was going to die

898
00:41:32,390 --> 00:41:30,400
because i live in a completely flat city

899
00:41:33,349 --> 00:41:32,400
there's no hills at all walked up there

900
00:41:35,270 --> 00:41:33,359
i thought i was going to die i'm

901
00:41:37,030 --> 00:41:35,280
sweating i you know my heart's

902
00:41:39,510 --> 00:41:37,040
palpitating i get to mcdonald's and it

903
00:41:40,790 --> 00:41:39,520
says opens at 11 o'clock i went what so

904
00:41:42,309 --> 00:41:40,800
i told my son and he said well they

905
00:41:45,430 --> 00:41:42,319
can't hire anybody right you're paying

906
00:41:48,069 --> 00:41:45,440
16 an hour uh but who can afford you

907
00:41:49,589 --> 00:41:48,079
know to uh work for that kind of money

908
00:41:51,109 --> 00:41:49,599
so a lot of the restaurants are only

909
00:41:52,470 --> 00:41:51,119
open for one shift a day it's kind of

910
00:41:55,829 --> 00:41:52,480
it's just a weird thing

911
00:41:57,589 --> 00:41:55,839
it's the same thing all over and uh

912
00:41:58,710 --> 00:41:57,599
unfortunately in the town that i'm in

913
00:42:00,950 --> 00:41:58,720
now

914
00:42:03,190 --> 00:42:00,960
um don't have those issues but i did

915
00:42:06,150 --> 00:42:03,200
over the last uh

916
00:42:08,069 --> 00:42:06,160
i was up in northern california and

917
00:42:10,230 --> 00:42:08,079
one of the things that we have here in

918
00:42:12,630 --> 00:42:10,240
california which is great it's a it's

919
00:42:14,150 --> 00:42:12,640
this horrible restaurant called jack in

920
00:42:16,470 --> 00:42:14,160
the box

921
00:42:18,390 --> 00:42:16,480
and they have a late night pothead menu

922
00:42:20,390 --> 00:42:18,400
and and things and it's cool and they're

923
00:42:21,349 --> 00:42:20,400
open 24 hours a day

924
00:42:23,589 --> 00:42:21,359
except

925
00:42:25,349 --> 00:42:23,599
up in northern california

926
00:42:28,309 --> 00:42:25,359
they're you know they're closing at nine

927
00:42:31,750 --> 00:42:28,319
o'clock they they can't hire anybody

928
00:42:33,030 --> 00:42:31,760
they they just nobody wants to work um

929
00:42:35,030 --> 00:42:33,040
so anyway

930
00:42:37,510 --> 00:42:35,040
all right enough enough of all of that

931
00:42:39,270 --> 00:42:37,520
how are you doing how are you doing

932
00:42:41,670 --> 00:42:39,280
i'm doing fine i'm doing fine

933
00:42:43,510 --> 00:42:41,680
everything's going well and uh we're

934
00:42:45,589 --> 00:42:43,520
putting out a lot of books here i'm just

935
00:42:46,790 --> 00:42:45,599
uh i was doing the podcast and i stopped

936
00:42:48,230 --> 00:42:46,800
that because i just suddenly got an

937
00:42:49,589 --> 00:42:48,240
inspiration i've got three books coming

938
00:42:51,190 --> 00:42:49,599
one after another

939
00:42:52,309 --> 00:42:51,200
and uh we're putting them up pretty fast

940
00:42:54,550 --> 00:42:52,319
the one we're gonna talk about tonight

941
00:42:56,870 --> 00:42:54,560
was uh triangles which took two and a

942
00:42:59,430 --> 00:42:56,880
half weeks it was like really fast i

943
00:43:01,670 --> 00:42:59,440
mean so well when you when when you're

944
00:43:04,870 --> 00:43:01,680
in the zone right yeah when you're in

945
00:43:07,109 --> 00:43:04,880
the zone um and and also well a couple

946
00:43:09,589 --> 00:43:07,119
of things tonight is our 1500th show

947
00:43:11,589 --> 00:43:09,599
grant i'm i'm honored to be on the 15th

948
00:43:13,190 --> 00:43:11,599
1000th show yeah and it's an honor to

949
00:43:15,109 --> 00:43:13,200
have you here

950
00:43:16,630 --> 00:43:15,119
and i don't know how many shows and

951
00:43:17,990 --> 00:43:16,640
things that we've done in the past we've

952
00:43:20,720 --> 00:43:18,000
certainly done

953
00:43:21,950 --> 00:43:20,730
um a lot of them but to get to

954
00:43:23,670 --> 00:43:21,960
[Music]

955
00:43:26,470 --> 00:43:23,680
1500

956
00:43:28,150 --> 00:43:26,480
you know and so for most people that are

957
00:43:29,589 --> 00:43:28,160
doing a podcast you know for one you

958
00:43:30,470 --> 00:43:29,599
know once a week

959
00:43:33,109 --> 00:43:30,480
yeah

960
00:43:34,390 --> 00:43:33,119
uh 1500 is going to take them how many

961
00:43:38,950 --> 00:43:34,400
years

962
00:43:39,589 --> 00:43:38,960
to get to

963
00:43:41,829 --> 00:43:39,599
fifteen 1500

964
00:43:43,510 --> 00:43:41,839
television shows fifteen under the

965
00:43:44,950 --> 00:43:43,520
fifteen hundred episodes of fade to

966
00:43:47,430 --> 00:43:44,960
black and

967
00:43:49,190 --> 00:43:47,440
and i i don't know how we pulled it off

968
00:43:50,790 --> 00:43:49,200
but uh and it way and i think it's

969
00:43:52,870 --> 00:43:50,800
important because i mean that's the way

970
00:43:54,470 --> 00:43:52,880
i look at it like with the books uh i

971
00:43:56,069 --> 00:43:54,480
don't intend to sell a lot of books or

972
00:43:58,870 --> 00:43:56,079
the podcast is you're trying to record

973
00:44:01,430 --> 00:43:58,880
history so when you've got 1500 i always

974
00:44:03,270 --> 00:44:01,440
refer to the one show you did that i

975
00:44:04,950 --> 00:44:03,280
have used in my piles of my books and

976
00:44:05,910 --> 00:44:04,960
that was the one you did with tom

977
00:44:08,230 --> 00:44:05,920
delonge

978
00:44:09,670 --> 00:44:08,240
and i think was 2016. 2016 i've quoted

979
00:44:11,270 --> 00:44:09,680
from that interview numerous times so

980
00:44:12,630 --> 00:44:11,280
you've got some interviews that are

981
00:44:14,230 --> 00:44:12,640
historic interviews that you've done

982
00:44:15,510 --> 00:44:14,240
with a number of people and that's what

983
00:44:17,349 --> 00:44:15,520
it's basically about because we may not

984
00:44:19,510 --> 00:44:17,359
figure this thing out in our lifetime

985
00:44:21,349 --> 00:44:19,520
but you've recorded your your your

986
00:44:23,030 --> 00:44:21,359
position your you you got to play in the

987
00:44:24,550 --> 00:44:23,040
big game i call it the big super bowl

988
00:44:26,550 --> 00:44:24,560
that we're in the super bowl we got to

989
00:44:28,150 --> 00:44:26,560
play record your story i always tell

990
00:44:29,829 --> 00:44:28,160
experiencers have you written this down

991
00:44:31,190 --> 00:44:29,839
for your kids and they go well i'm

992
00:44:33,030 --> 00:44:31,200
thinking about it i said no write it

993
00:44:34,550 --> 00:44:33,040
down i mean even if you because now it's

994
00:44:36,630 --> 00:44:34,560
self-publishing you can just make one

995
00:44:38,150 --> 00:44:36,640
book or whatever write your story down

996
00:44:40,309 --> 00:44:38,160
it will help you

997
00:44:41,750 --> 00:44:40,319
organize your story and to record this

998
00:44:42,630 --> 00:44:41,760
history because 500 years from now

999
00:44:44,150 --> 00:44:42,640
people are going to think we were the

1000
00:44:46,309 --> 00:44:44,160
luckiest people in the world to have

1001
00:44:48,390 --> 00:44:46,319
lived at this time and dealt with these

1002
00:44:50,230 --> 00:44:48,400
these bizarre subjects as they unfolded

1003
00:44:52,390 --> 00:44:50,240
yeah you're absolutely right it's a time

1004
00:44:54,950 --> 00:44:52,400
capsule it's it's part of the public

1005
00:44:56,790 --> 00:44:54,960
domain it's frozen in time

1006
00:44:58,950 --> 00:44:56,800
and they occur

1007
00:45:01,349 --> 00:44:58,960
uh the shows specifically occur at a

1008
00:45:04,230 --> 00:45:01,359
time when something is a subject right

1009
00:45:05,910 --> 00:45:04,240
and it gets covered in in a deep way i

1010
00:45:09,190 --> 00:45:05,920
have been uh

1011
00:45:10,230 --> 00:45:09,200
trust me grant i i want to thank you

1012
00:45:12,790 --> 00:45:10,240
uh

1013
00:45:15,270 --> 00:45:12,800
numerous times people have sent me

1014
00:45:16,390 --> 00:45:15,280
uh clips and video of you speaking

1015
00:45:18,390 --> 00:45:16,400
somewhere

1016
00:45:21,349 --> 00:45:18,400
and and bringing up fade to black and

1017
00:45:23,270 --> 00:45:21,359
and i'll watch this this fade to black

1018
00:45:24,950 --> 00:45:23,280
uh whatever the episode is uh

1019
00:45:27,109 --> 00:45:24,960
conversation happening with the other

1020
00:45:29,190 --> 00:45:27,119
panelists that have also listened to the

1021
00:45:32,470 --> 00:45:29,200
show and it's not because of fade to

1022
00:45:35,270 --> 00:45:32,480
black it's your point it's that it would

1023
00:45:36,150 --> 00:45:35,280
what was mentioned that night on the

1024
00:45:37,829 --> 00:45:36,160
show

1025
00:45:40,230 --> 00:45:37,839
and and that's what's important because

1026
00:45:42,309 --> 00:45:40,240
it becomes part of the public domain and

1027
00:45:44,630 --> 00:45:42,319
everybody can reference back to it and

1028
00:45:46,069 --> 00:45:44,640
you've done it many times man and don't

1029
00:45:48,630 --> 00:45:46,079
think i haven't noticed thank you for

1030
00:45:50,630 --> 00:45:48,640
that yeah and i i that's what i do is to

1031
00:45:53,270 --> 00:45:50,640
me it's always research when i hear and

1032
00:45:55,030 --> 00:45:53,280
i say when did tom delong say that and

1033
00:45:56,710 --> 00:45:55,040
i'm thinking did he say it on coast to

1034
00:45:57,750 --> 00:45:56,720
coast did he say it on jimmy church and

1035
00:45:59,430 --> 00:45:57,760
i started going back because i've

1036
00:46:01,030 --> 00:45:59,440
listened to that podcast numerous times

1037
00:46:02,870 --> 00:46:01,040
and i know how to get through it fast by

1038
00:46:05,750 --> 00:46:02,880
using a word search and stuff like that

1039
00:46:07,990 --> 00:46:05,760
but it's historic where um

1040
00:46:09,349 --> 00:46:08,000
he said some stuff back in those days

1041
00:46:10,790 --> 00:46:09,359
which he doesn't talk about anymore i

1042
00:46:11,910 --> 00:46:10,800
mean you that was i think one of the

1043
00:46:13,670 --> 00:46:11,920
most important interviews i've ever

1044
00:46:15,670 --> 00:46:13,680
heard done was that first one you did

1045
00:46:16,790 --> 00:46:15,680
with with tom delong it was a lot of

1046
00:46:18,470 --> 00:46:16,800
stuff where he talked about how this

1047
00:46:20,630 --> 00:46:18,480
thing unfolded he doesn't talk about

1048
00:46:22,069 --> 00:46:20,640
that and that's historic stuff because i

1049
00:46:23,589 --> 00:46:22,079
mean it was the tom delong thing that

1050
00:46:25,510 --> 00:46:23,599
got this whole thing going that that

1051
00:46:27,270 --> 00:46:25,520
we're talking about today with the

1052
00:46:28,230 --> 00:46:27,280
senate and all that kind of stuff i mean

1053
00:46:30,550 --> 00:46:28,240
that's where it happened and you

1054
00:46:32,390 --> 00:46:30,560
recorded it while it was happening and

1055
00:46:34,470 --> 00:46:32,400
uh

1056
00:46:37,190 --> 00:46:34,480
i don't know man i think your shows on

1057
00:46:38,870 --> 00:46:37,200
fade to black have been pretty dang epic

1058
00:46:41,589 --> 00:46:38,880
um but uh

1059
00:46:43,589 --> 00:46:41,599
you know like uh this week and and you

1060
00:46:45,270 --> 00:46:43,599
brought up a really good point um and i

1061
00:46:47,750 --> 00:46:45,280
want to thank nicole she needs some

1062
00:46:48,630 --> 00:46:47,760
props uh i know she's listening right

1063
00:46:51,829 --> 00:46:48,640
now

1064
00:46:54,069 --> 00:46:51,839
uh she's dynamic and she's cool and and

1065
00:46:56,630 --> 00:46:54,079
i had a chance to uh really get to know

1066
00:46:59,750 --> 00:46:56,640
her and break some bread and uh for

1067
00:47:03,750 --> 00:46:59,760
about a week and and she's just uh just

1068
00:47:05,430 --> 00:47:03,760
amazing and her and i had a chance to i

1069
00:47:08,870 --> 00:47:05,440
don't know you probably don't know this

1070
00:47:11,190 --> 00:47:08,880
grant but her and i were uh we're taking

1071
00:47:13,349 --> 00:47:11,200
break buddies right so it's like you

1072
00:47:15,990 --> 00:47:13,359
want to get out of here yes and so we

1073
00:47:19,109 --> 00:47:16,000
would go and stand down by the river

1074
00:47:21,829 --> 00:47:19,119
and uh and just talk and

1075
00:47:23,670 --> 00:47:21,839
you know five minutes 10 minutes 45

1076
00:47:25,670 --> 00:47:23,680
minutes you know

1077
00:47:27,349 --> 00:47:25,680
and that's just the way that she is but

1078
00:47:31,349 --> 00:47:27,359
i really got to know her

1079
00:47:33,829 --> 00:47:31,359
and uh she is absolutely amazing so uh

1080
00:47:36,390 --> 00:47:33,839
prophecy nicole the co-author uh with

1081
00:47:38,870 --> 00:47:36,400
you on this new book uh nicole sakic

1082
00:47:40,470 --> 00:47:38,880
and uh triangles and aliens and messages

1083
00:47:42,069 --> 00:47:40,480
well the point is the book would now

1084
00:47:43,589 --> 00:47:42,079
have happened if it weren't for her

1085
00:47:45,750 --> 00:47:43,599
because as you know this

1086
00:47:47,430 --> 00:47:45,760
how this thing happened i even asked her

1087
00:47:49,270 --> 00:47:47,440
i had forgotten what had happened i said

1088
00:47:50,470 --> 00:47:49,280
well how did this book come to be and

1089
00:47:51,910 --> 00:47:50,480
this is this whole story you know how

1090
00:47:53,910 --> 00:47:51,920
they were they always dangled the story

1091
00:47:55,510 --> 00:47:53,920
they put out the story uh what's going

1092
00:47:57,670 --> 00:47:55,520
to happen the leak and the leak was the

1093
00:47:59,829 --> 00:47:57,680
story of the triangle a photograph that

1094
00:48:01,190 --> 00:47:59,839
was coming and they were saying

1095
00:48:02,549 --> 00:48:01,200
we got this photo and it's coming out

1096
00:48:04,790 --> 00:48:02,559
and they were gonna and then i was

1097
00:48:06,630 --> 00:48:04,800
talking to the call and and she said oh

1098
00:48:08,470 --> 00:48:06,640
bob mcguire has seen that photo i said

1099
00:48:09,990 --> 00:48:08,480
bob mcguire seen that photo and she said

1100
00:48:11,349 --> 00:48:10,000
yeah and i said can you get him for an

1101
00:48:12,950 --> 00:48:11,359
interview and she said yeah i can get

1102
00:48:14,790 --> 00:48:12,960
him so we had the interview with bob

1103
00:48:16,309 --> 00:48:14,800
mcguire and that's when twitter blew up

1104
00:48:17,510 --> 00:48:16,319
and people were saying oh you scooped

1105
00:48:18,950 --> 00:48:17,520
these guys stories well they were

1106
00:48:20,870 --> 00:48:18,960
throwing the story out and we just went

1107
00:48:22,790 --> 00:48:20,880
with bob mcguire on the triangle story

1108
00:48:24,069 --> 00:48:22,800
and then i realized i had had a triangle

1109
00:48:26,470 --> 00:48:24,079
incident myself that i completely

1110
00:48:28,470 --> 00:48:26,480
forgotten about in 1976 which is a very

1111
00:48:30,470 --> 00:48:28,480
dramatic sighting and then i'm thinking

1112
00:48:31,990 --> 00:48:30,480
why don't we put a panel and that's when

1113
00:48:33,670 --> 00:48:32,000
we put it up in the coal so to handle

1114
00:48:34,950 --> 00:48:33,680
that we put up a panel and all these

1115
00:48:36,710 --> 00:48:34,960
people came forward and said i've had a

1116
00:48:38,630 --> 00:48:36,720
triangle sighting and we started to

1117
00:48:39,670 --> 00:48:38,640
realize these important

1118
00:48:41,190 --> 00:48:39,680
um

1119
00:48:44,390 --> 00:48:41,200
things that had happened like three of

1120
00:48:46,870 --> 00:48:44,400
the top reporters like lee spiegel

1121
00:48:48,790 --> 00:48:46,880
had a major triangle sighting billy cox

1122
00:48:50,549 --> 00:48:48,800
that's how his career started with this

1123
00:48:52,630 --> 00:48:50,559
gigantic triangle sighting right outside

1124
00:48:53,589 --> 00:48:52,640
of nasa on the on the coast there in

1125
00:48:55,430 --> 00:48:53,599
florida

1126
00:48:58,150 --> 00:48:55,440
and the third one was uh green street

1127
00:48:59,670 --> 00:48:58,160
from new york post that's how his hole

1128
00:49:01,589 --> 00:48:59,680
got down the rabbit hole with this giant

1129
00:49:03,349 --> 00:49:01,599
triangle sighting and it started to

1130
00:49:05,190 --> 00:49:03,359
unfold almost like this they wanted us

1131
00:49:07,430 --> 00:49:05,200
to do the story and that's where the

1132
00:49:08,950 --> 00:49:07,440
thing was we did a couple of panels and

1133
00:49:10,710 --> 00:49:08,960
all these people came forward they told

1134
00:49:12,150 --> 00:49:10,720
these stories and

1135
00:49:13,589 --> 00:49:12,160
we just said let's record this for

1136
00:49:15,990 --> 00:49:13,599
history rather than just having it on

1137
00:49:17,510 --> 00:49:16,000
youtube let's record it and everybody

1138
00:49:19,430 --> 00:49:17,520
can can see but it's it's fairly

1139
00:49:22,630 --> 00:49:19,440
significant because it is a it's a

1140
00:49:25,030 --> 00:49:22,640
different type of um thing people

1141
00:49:27,109 --> 00:49:25,040
who haven't been in it as long as i have

1142
00:49:29,510 --> 00:49:27,119
don't realize that things have changed

1143
00:49:32,390 --> 00:49:29,520
everything sits the same ufo story and

1144
00:49:34,309 --> 00:49:32,400
it's not you had you had in 1895 you had

1145
00:49:36,309 --> 00:49:34,319
the 86 you had the wooden ships with the

1146
00:49:38,069 --> 00:49:36,319
propellers and the the sails on them

1147
00:49:39,910 --> 00:49:38,079
then you had the the foo fighters they

1148
00:49:41,270 --> 00:49:39,920
went away then the green fireballs came

1149
00:49:43,030 --> 00:49:41,280
then they went away then you had the

1150
00:49:44,630 --> 00:49:43,040
adamski crafts and they went away then

1151
00:49:47,030 --> 00:49:44,640
you had the crafts with the windows then

1152
00:49:48,950 --> 00:49:47,040
they went away and and then the triangle

1153
00:49:50,549 --> 00:49:48,960
started to appear and and now you have

1154
00:49:53,430 --> 00:49:50,559
all these big triangle sightings with

1155
00:49:55,510 --> 00:49:53,440
these huge massive triangles with uh you

1156
00:49:57,750 --> 00:49:55,520
know miles across and stuff like that

1157
00:49:59,589 --> 00:49:57,760
and people seem to forget that that that

1158
00:50:00,950 --> 00:49:59,599
it's almost like they're unfolding

1159
00:50:02,470 --> 00:50:00,960
something somebody's

1160
00:50:03,990 --> 00:50:02,480
they're changing the scenario as it goes

1161
00:50:06,069 --> 00:50:04,000
on and now this orb thing once we have

1162
00:50:07,430 --> 00:50:06,079
the the digital camera

1163
00:50:08,790 --> 00:50:07,440
suddenly all these people have these orb

1164
00:50:10,710 --> 00:50:08,800
photographs that they're that they're

1165
00:50:11,990 --> 00:50:10,720
putting out and

1166
00:50:13,829 --> 00:50:12,000
people always think it's always the same

1167
00:50:15,430 --> 00:50:13,839
thing but i've been in it so long i know

1168
00:50:17,990 --> 00:50:15,440
that these patterns have occurred and

1169
00:50:19,750 --> 00:50:18,000
that for whatever reason it's almost

1170
00:50:21,510 --> 00:50:19,760
like um they're changing it up they say

1171
00:50:23,109 --> 00:50:21,520
okay now let's do this and it it changes

1172
00:50:25,349 --> 00:50:23,119
like crop circles haven't always been

1173
00:50:28,150 --> 00:50:25,359
here uh landing traces one of the things

1174
00:50:31,829 --> 00:50:28,160
i i mentioned about triangles that

1175
00:50:35,349 --> 00:50:33,270
the statement was made that triangles

1176
00:50:37,190 --> 00:50:35,359
never never land there's only one that

1177
00:50:40,309 --> 00:50:37,200
we know that may have landed and that

1178
00:50:41,670 --> 00:50:40,319
was um terry lovelace's story uh but

1179
00:50:43,270 --> 00:50:41,680
when you listen to terry lovelace's

1180
00:50:44,390 --> 00:50:43,280
story when he was inside the craft he

1181
00:50:45,990 --> 00:50:44,400
said it was the size of a football

1182
00:50:47,910 --> 00:50:46,000
stadium on the inside and it was just a

1183
00:50:49,990 --> 00:50:47,920
regular craft on the outside which tends

1184
00:50:51,589 --> 00:50:50,000
to indicate it may not have been as

1185
00:50:53,750 --> 00:50:51,599
physical as it it may have been this

1186
00:50:55,190 --> 00:50:53,760
matrix that people talk about because

1187
00:50:57,190 --> 00:50:55,200
people talk about in the spirit world

1188
00:50:58,790 --> 00:50:57,200
i've got a guy who the aliens took him

1189
00:51:00,549 --> 00:50:58,800
into the spirit world and he's with his

1190
00:51:02,470 --> 00:51:00,559
dead mother and he went into this

1191
00:51:04,309 --> 00:51:02,480
building he said i was in this building

1192
00:51:05,670 --> 00:51:04,319
it was ten times the size inside as was

1193
00:51:08,630 --> 00:51:05,680
outside and said hey that's what terry

1194
00:51:10,630 --> 00:51:08,640
lovely said same thing so is he in a ufo

1195
00:51:12,630 --> 00:51:10,640
abduction experience is he in the spirit

1196
00:51:14,470 --> 00:51:12,640
world and you start to realize that

1197
00:51:16,549 --> 00:51:14,480
there's these important things and this

1198
00:51:17,670 --> 00:51:16,559
this idea that triangles don't don't

1199
00:51:20,069 --> 00:51:17,680
land

1200
00:51:21,109 --> 00:51:20,079
and that very few abductions to terry

1201
00:51:23,030 --> 00:51:21,119
lovelace should be the only ones with

1202
00:51:25,430 --> 00:51:23,040
deductions like the phoenix lights big

1203
00:51:27,349 --> 00:51:25,440
case there was no abduction stuff

1204
00:51:30,069 --> 00:51:27,359
connected to that and you start seeing

1205
00:51:31,910 --> 00:51:30,079
these weird patterns and you wonder like

1206
00:51:32,950 --> 00:51:31,920
like what's this all about or even the

1207
00:51:34,390 --> 00:51:32,960
idea

1208
00:51:36,549 --> 00:51:34,400
a lot of people don't know i always

1209
00:51:37,910 --> 00:51:36,559
bring out that you remember stanton

1210
00:51:39,829 --> 00:51:37,920
freeman's talk about that physical

1211
00:51:41,349 --> 00:51:39,839
evidence the four thousand landing trace

1212
00:51:43,349 --> 00:51:41,359
cases well there's not been a landing

1213
00:51:45,109 --> 00:51:43,359
trace in 25 years there's not been

1214
00:51:46,950 --> 00:51:45,119
anything in land in 25 years the things

1215
00:51:48,710 --> 00:51:46,960
fly around the sky but you don't really

1216
00:51:52,549 --> 00:51:48,720
get these landings like rentals from

1217
00:51:54,150 --> 00:51:52,559
forest or the falcon lake incident or um

1218
00:51:56,230 --> 00:51:54,160
you know where they used to land and put

1219
00:51:57,750 --> 00:51:56,240
the tripod marks and burn out the crop

1220
00:51:59,430 --> 00:51:57,760
and stuff that hasn't happened for years

1221
00:52:00,630 --> 00:51:59,440
i remember talking to ted phillips 15

1222
00:52:02,790 --> 00:52:00,640
years ago and he's the guy that

1223
00:52:04,950 --> 00:52:02,800
collected most of i said ted is it am i

1224
00:52:06,549 --> 00:52:04,960
mistaken or is this thing shut down he

1225
00:52:08,390 --> 00:52:06,559
said yeah i think you're right i don't

1226
00:52:09,829 --> 00:52:08,400
there's there's the odd one but

1227
00:52:11,270 --> 00:52:09,839
basically it's stopped it's almost like

1228
00:52:12,630 --> 00:52:11,280
they're they're changing the scenario

1229
00:52:14,230 --> 00:52:12,640
okay now let's do something else instead

1230
00:52:16,710 --> 00:52:14,240
of instead of landing traces we're gonna

1231
00:52:18,710 --> 00:52:16,720
do crop circles and that's the kind of

1232
00:52:20,710 --> 00:52:18,720
stuff that really sort of catches my

1233
00:52:23,030 --> 00:52:20,720
attention when i'm working in ufos is

1234
00:52:25,190 --> 00:52:23,040
these weird little patterns or

1235
00:52:26,950 --> 00:52:25,200
that you know the one with the with like

1236
00:52:28,710 --> 00:52:26,960
chris bledsoe you interviewed him same

1237
00:52:29,990 --> 00:52:28,720
thing chris bledsoe went inside the

1238
00:52:31,910 --> 00:52:30,000
craft it was huge on the inside of the

1239
00:52:34,069 --> 00:52:31,920
craft and he looked outside it was small

1240
00:52:35,510 --> 00:52:34,079
and he looked inside and it was huge and

1241
00:52:37,109 --> 00:52:35,520
those kind of things i think are very

1242
00:52:39,109 --> 00:52:37,119
important especially when you get

1243
00:52:41,589 --> 00:52:39,119
multiple people telling those stories

1244
00:52:43,430 --> 00:52:41,599
that something here we can learn what is

1245
00:52:45,030 --> 00:52:43,440
actually going on here if the craft is

1246
00:52:46,790 --> 00:52:45,040
like the size of a football field inside

1247
00:52:48,390 --> 00:52:46,800
and it's 30 feet across on the outside

1248
00:52:49,910 --> 00:52:48,400
that is something i think is significant

1249
00:52:51,670 --> 00:52:49,920
that will tell us

1250
00:52:53,990 --> 00:52:51,680
what may be going on here that's what

1251
00:52:55,990 --> 00:52:54,000
they do with the houses in burbank

1252
00:52:59,589 --> 00:52:56,000
right it's 1100 square feet on the

1253
00:53:02,790 --> 00:52:59,599
outside for 1.5 million but you walk in

1254
00:53:05,349 --> 00:53:02,800
15 000 square feet it's it's this new

1255
00:53:09,430 --> 00:53:05,359
technology grant it's amazing it's

1256
00:53:11,190 --> 00:53:09,440
amazing um but yes and and here

1257
00:53:13,670 --> 00:53:11,200
i mean for me

1258
00:53:15,589 --> 00:53:13,680
uh and i understand the transitions uh

1259
00:53:17,750 --> 00:53:15,599
and for all of us that have been you

1260
00:53:19,030 --> 00:53:17,760
know in the ufo game for a while and

1261
00:53:22,309 --> 00:53:19,040
others too they you don't have to be

1262
00:53:23,190 --> 00:53:22,319
into forever but we have seen

1263
00:53:26,710 --> 00:53:23,200
uh

1264
00:53:28,870 --> 00:53:26,720
the the changes over the years and

1265
00:53:30,630 --> 00:53:28,880
and not to say that those changes aren't

1266
00:53:32,630 --> 00:53:30,640
significant because

1267
00:53:35,750 --> 00:53:32,640
intelligent civilizations all can't be

1268
00:53:37,829 --> 00:53:35,760
driving the same ford fiesta right the

1269
00:53:40,870 --> 00:53:37,839
the crafts are going to be different

1270
00:53:42,950 --> 00:53:40,880
probably every single time they are here

1271
00:53:44,150 --> 00:53:42,960
one of the things that has been pretty

1272
00:53:47,829 --> 00:53:44,160
consistent

1273
00:53:49,030 --> 00:53:47,839
is is the triangle and if if you go back

1274
00:53:51,430 --> 00:53:49,040
um

1275
00:53:54,829 --> 00:53:51,440
and and you're right about you know the

1276
00:53:58,870 --> 00:53:54,839
40s the 50s and 60s and the 70s and the

1277
00:54:02,069 --> 00:53:58,880
80s but if you go back and look at the

1278
00:54:03,990 --> 00:54:02,079
rhodes photographs in july of 1947 that

1279
00:54:05,030 --> 00:54:04,000
were taken in phoenix

1280
00:54:07,349 --> 00:54:05,040
i'm

1281
00:54:10,950 --> 00:54:07,359
i would say that that's a black triangle

1282
00:54:13,589 --> 00:54:10,960
yeah you know and and and that's 1947.

1283
00:54:15,190 --> 00:54:13,599
i myself have had my own uh black

1284
00:54:16,549 --> 00:54:15,200
triangle sighting

1285
00:54:18,790 --> 00:54:16,559
and i didn't know it was a black

1286
00:54:20,390 --> 00:54:18,800
triangle i i've mentioned this to you

1287
00:54:23,109 --> 00:54:20,400
before until later when i looked at the

1288
00:54:25,190 --> 00:54:23,119
photograph what i saw was a black dot

1289
00:54:26,069 --> 00:54:25,200
moving at a very high altitude with my

1290
00:54:28,950 --> 00:54:26,079
friends

1291
00:54:31,670 --> 00:54:28,960
and and once i looked at the photograph

1292
00:54:32,790 --> 00:54:31,680
which i have uh to this day uh 35

1293
00:54:33,910 --> 00:54:32,800
millimeter

1294
00:54:35,910 --> 00:54:33,920
um

1295
00:54:39,030 --> 00:54:35,920
it's a triangle it's a black triangle at

1296
00:54:41,829 --> 00:54:39,040
a very high altitude

1297
00:54:46,710 --> 00:54:41,839
and you know what what's it and and

1298
00:54:49,349 --> 00:54:46,720
it didn't uh grant at that altitude

1299
00:54:52,549 --> 00:54:49,359
it stopped at the edge of this cloud i'm

1300
00:54:53,990 --> 00:54:52,559
going to say 60 000 feet like high right

1301
00:54:57,349 --> 00:54:54,000
high not yeah

1302
00:55:00,150 --> 00:54:57,359
um but it stopped it it was zipping and

1303
00:55:02,309 --> 00:55:00,160
it slowed down and then stopped it's

1304
00:55:03,349 --> 00:55:02,319
just a black dot and then goes straight

1305
00:55:04,549 --> 00:55:03,359
up

1306
00:55:07,349 --> 00:55:04,559
right okay

1307
00:55:09,430 --> 00:55:07,359
so i snapped a bunch of pictures uh only

1308
00:55:11,349 --> 00:55:09,440
one had it in it

1309
00:55:13,910 --> 00:55:11,359
and i have i have a series of pictures

1310
00:55:16,150 --> 00:55:13,920
of clouds right but this one's got this

1311
00:55:18,630 --> 00:55:16,160
black dot i put the jeweler's loop on

1312
00:55:20,390 --> 00:55:18,640
it's a black triangle you know and so

1313
00:55:23,829 --> 00:55:20,400
what exhibits that kind of flight

1314
00:55:25,990 --> 00:55:23,839
characteristic where it's going to stop

1315
00:55:27,990 --> 00:55:26,000
you know at that altitude flying at that

1316
00:55:28,950 --> 00:55:28,000
speed zipping across the sky and then

1317
00:55:30,870 --> 00:55:28,960
stop

1318
00:55:31,670 --> 00:55:30,880
and then go straight up

1319
00:55:33,990 --> 00:55:31,680
so

1320
00:55:35,990 --> 00:55:34,000
yeah i don't know i don't know and and

1321
00:55:37,910 --> 00:55:36,000
the other question uh that i need to

1322
00:55:39,430 --> 00:55:37,920
throw back at you

1323
00:55:41,910 --> 00:55:39,440
do you feel

1324
00:55:43,349 --> 00:55:41,920
that when we talk about black triangles

1325
00:55:46,549 --> 00:55:43,359
today

1326
00:55:48,789 --> 00:55:46,559
that the general consensus is we're

1327
00:55:51,030 --> 00:55:48,799
probably not talking about

1328
00:55:53,670 --> 00:55:51,040
extraterrestrials you know cruising

1329
00:55:56,470 --> 00:55:53,680
around our atmosphere

1330
00:55:57,990 --> 00:55:56,480
but that this is advanced technology

1331
00:55:59,990 --> 00:55:58,000
that is ours

1332
00:56:03,589 --> 00:56:00,000
do you think that's where we have kind

1333
00:56:05,430 --> 00:56:03,599
of moved into no i i don't believe the

1334
00:56:07,349 --> 00:56:05,440
advanced technology very much i the more

1335
00:56:10,150 --> 00:56:07,359
i look at it the less i believe we have

1336
00:56:12,230 --> 00:56:10,160
that we're it's military bravado

1337
00:56:14,870 --> 00:56:12,240
um i think that especially if you've got

1338
00:56:16,789 --> 00:56:14,880
a craft like the phoenix lights or some

1339
00:56:18,710 --> 00:56:16,799
of the ones in the book i mean the the

1340
00:56:20,710 --> 00:56:18,720
guy said you could you couldn't see each

1341
00:56:23,349 --> 00:56:20,720
end of it it was that big

1342
00:56:24,950 --> 00:56:23,359
or 40 people people describing 30 miles

1343
00:56:27,030 --> 00:56:24,960
or 40 miles across

1344
00:56:28,150 --> 00:56:27,040
there's why would you build that kind of

1345
00:56:29,190 --> 00:56:28,160
stuff because what you're building i

1346
00:56:32,150 --> 00:56:29,200
think it's

1347
00:56:34,870 --> 00:56:32,160
at area 51 is drone technology where you

1348
00:56:36,789 --> 00:56:34,880
you've got very small very mobile under

1349
00:56:40,230 --> 00:56:36,799
subsonic and stuff like that this makes

1350
00:56:41,990 --> 00:56:40,240
no sense even for for for uh et

1351
00:56:43,670 --> 00:56:42,000
intelligence to build something that big

1352
00:56:45,349 --> 00:56:43,680
why would you take something that big if

1353
00:56:46,710 --> 00:56:45,359
you're in the military and fly it a

1354
00:56:48,470 --> 00:56:46,720
couple hundred feet over the over the

1355
00:56:51,030 --> 00:56:48,480
over phoenix arizona you're gonna have

1356
00:56:53,190 --> 00:56:51,040
it in a restricted airs airspace where

1357
00:56:55,270 --> 00:56:53,200
you you in case it crashes or whatever

1358
00:56:56,789 --> 00:56:55,280
the the it's always this thing about you

1359
00:56:59,430 --> 00:56:56,799
know um

1360
00:57:00,549 --> 00:56:59,440
the risk potential of of flying it

1361
00:57:02,150 --> 00:57:00,559
there's no way you're going to take the

1362
00:57:05,030 --> 00:57:02,160
chance of flying nothing over a major

1363
00:57:06,870 --> 00:57:05,040
city and so to me i always but i look at

1364
00:57:08,870 --> 00:57:06,880
the theory of wow i think the the whole

1365
00:57:10,870 --> 00:57:08,880
idea like even your ufo sighting or my

1366
00:57:12,150 --> 00:57:10,880
ufo sighting i always ask people when

1367
00:57:13,829 --> 00:57:12,160
you when you had the ufo what was it

1368
00:57:14,789 --> 00:57:13,839
doing and they go it wasn't doing

1369
00:57:16,069 --> 00:57:14,799
anything

1370
00:57:17,270 --> 00:57:16,079
it was just sitting there and it was

1371
00:57:19,190 --> 00:57:17,280
like and it was like do you think it

1372
00:57:20,710 --> 00:57:19,200
wanted you to see it and you go

1373
00:57:22,390 --> 00:57:20,720
yeah you don't want me to see it and

1374
00:57:24,230 --> 00:57:22,400
that's where i'm saying that they just

1375
00:57:27,030 --> 00:57:24,240
throw this stuff they drag you down the

1376
00:57:27,990 --> 00:57:27,040
rabbit hole and it to me to me a lot of

1377
00:57:31,270 --> 00:57:28,000
the stuff doesn't mean anything because

1378
00:57:32,549 --> 00:57:31,280
i i and i a lot of the stuff i get comes

1379
00:57:35,109 --> 00:57:32,559
to me in sort of inspirations like for

1380
00:57:36,470 --> 00:57:35,119
example when i had my first sighting

1381
00:57:38,470 --> 00:57:36,480
and you were we can talk about this

1382
00:57:40,390 --> 00:57:38,480
thing about um you were talking with

1383
00:57:43,510 --> 00:57:40,400
kevin dave the other night about the the

1384
00:57:45,349 --> 00:57:43,520
um the ufo that that jumped from uh 80

1385
00:57:48,470 --> 00:57:45,359
000 feet down to sea level and 7 8 of a

1386
00:57:50,789 --> 00:57:48,480
second well we had that in manitoba on

1387
00:57:52,309 --> 00:57:50,799
film going the other way and that's what

1388
00:57:53,589 --> 00:57:52,319
got me involved so i go out there and

1389
00:57:55,109 --> 00:57:53,599
the first night the thing flies right in

1390
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front of the car and i'm just like

1391
00:57:58,069 --> 00:57:56,480
floored i can't i can't believe it so

1392
00:58:01,109 --> 00:57:58,079
the second night and i didn't realize

1393
00:58:03,190 --> 00:58:01,119
this for 40 years the second night it we

1394
00:58:04,710 --> 00:58:03,200
we took a bunch of people out and i said

1395
00:58:06,470 --> 00:58:04,720
we got to see this all my friends went

1396
00:58:07,829 --> 00:58:06,480
home later and we were standing there

1397
00:58:09,910 --> 00:58:07,839
and we're watching and then this this

1398
00:58:11,109 --> 00:58:09,920
flash and it changed so it was a flash

1399
00:58:13,030 --> 00:58:11,119
it was jumping around the sky this

1400
00:58:14,549 --> 00:58:13,040
flashing thing and then it as it getting

1401
00:58:15,990 --> 00:58:14,559
closer then it changed to this other

1402
00:58:17,430 --> 00:58:16,000
object so it was two different objects

1403
00:58:19,670 --> 00:58:17,440
one object and it changed to this other

1404
00:58:21,270 --> 00:58:19,680
object and it came right at me and then

1405
00:58:22,950 --> 00:58:21,280
it made this left-hand turn and it sort

1406
00:58:24,710 --> 00:58:22,960
of flew off into the northeast and i'm

1407
00:58:26,150 --> 00:58:24,720
watching this thing and i'm going what's

1408
00:58:27,990 --> 00:58:26,160
it doing it's not doing anything it's

1409
00:58:29,670 --> 00:58:28,000
just sort of flying along and then 40

1410
00:58:32,150 --> 00:58:29,680
years later i'm thinking to myself why

1411
00:58:33,910 --> 00:58:32,160
did it come directly at me and then make

1412
00:58:35,670 --> 00:58:33,920
the turn if it wanted why didn't you

1413
00:58:37,430 --> 00:58:35,680
just go from the west into the northeast

1414
00:58:39,430 --> 00:58:37,440
in a straight line it made this come

1415
00:58:41,510 --> 00:58:39,440
right at me within about uh i don't know

1416
00:58:43,109 --> 00:58:41,520
maybe a thousand yards or maybe less

1417
00:58:44,630 --> 00:58:43,119
than that and then made this turn and

1418
00:58:46,470 --> 00:58:44,640
just slowly flew off and then you start

1419
00:58:48,789 --> 00:58:46,480
to think oh maybe that was intentional

1420
00:58:50,150 --> 00:58:48,799
maybe they wanted me to to pick this up

1421
00:58:52,150 --> 00:58:50,160
because when you see these things like

1422
00:58:53,510 --> 00:58:52,160
bud hopkins sighting if you know the one

1423
00:58:55,349 --> 00:58:53,520
that dragged him down the rabbit hole in

1424
00:58:56,630 --> 00:58:55,359
1964 or whatever the thing's sitting

1425
00:58:58,150 --> 00:58:56,640
above the car and what was it doing

1426
00:58:59,910 --> 00:58:58,160
nothing he's driving these british

1427
00:59:01,270 --> 00:58:59,920
people in the car and it's sitting above

1428
00:59:03,270 --> 00:59:01,280
him in plain daylight and it's just

1429
00:59:04,789 --> 00:59:03,280
sitting there and and he goes on you

1430
00:59:06,150 --> 00:59:04,799
know he goes down the rabbit hole and

1431
00:59:07,990 --> 00:59:06,160
that's what i think a lot of this stuff

1432
00:59:09,349 --> 00:59:08,000
is is they're just like why do you have

1433
00:59:11,030 --> 00:59:09,359
a host of lights on them so you can see

1434
00:59:12,950 --> 00:59:11,040
them they want you to see them they this

1435
00:59:15,030 --> 00:59:12,960
is this is triggering people and people

1436
00:59:17,109 --> 00:59:15,040
who have ufo sightings like even kevin

1437
00:59:18,950 --> 00:59:17,119
day he has the one experience and they

1438
00:59:21,270 --> 00:59:18,960
end up getting divorced as i did as a

1439
00:59:22,789 --> 00:59:21,280
lot of people do uh you know you're

1440
00:59:24,150 --> 00:59:22,799
you're a better half can't handle it you

1441
00:59:25,910 --> 00:59:24,160
go down the rabbit hole you're obsessed

1442
00:59:27,349 --> 00:59:25,920
with it and that's that's what i think

1443
00:59:29,109 --> 00:59:27,359
they're doing is they're dragging people

1444
00:59:30,789 --> 00:59:29,119
down there and these are their

1445
00:59:32,549 --> 00:59:30,799
messengers that are out there telling

1446
00:59:33,990 --> 00:59:32,559
the story about what they saw and it's

1447
00:59:36,069 --> 00:59:34,000
raising consciousness to the fact that

1448
00:59:37,349 --> 00:59:36,079
we're not alone something's going on and

1449
00:59:38,549 --> 00:59:37,359
then you and i are spending our whole

1450
00:59:40,230 --> 00:59:38,559
life trying to figure out what is going

1451
00:59:41,910 --> 00:59:40,240
on like i got to figure this thing out

1452
00:59:42,789 --> 00:59:41,920
and you're obsessed and you can't let it

1453
00:59:44,390 --> 00:59:42,799
go

1454
00:59:46,230 --> 00:59:44,400
even your people always made the joke

1455
00:59:48,630 --> 00:59:46,240
they said oh the guy's left he's had it

1456
00:59:50,470 --> 00:59:48,640
he's finished with ufos again yeah right

1457
00:59:51,190 --> 00:59:50,480
don't worry nobody leaves he's coming

1458
00:59:52,390 --> 00:59:51,200
back

1459
00:59:54,150 --> 00:59:52,400
he may be gone for a couple years he's

1460
00:59:57,430 --> 00:59:54,160
coming back let's take a break right

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00:59:59,349 --> 00:59:57,440
here our 1500th show

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01:00:00,710 --> 00:59:59,359
with the one the only grant cameron it's

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going to be great tonight looking

1464
01:00:04,789 --> 01:00:03,040
forward to the rest of this conversation

1465
01:00:07,430 --> 01:00:04,799
i'm here with jimmy church this is fade

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01:00:11,190 --> 01:00:07,440
to block on the game changer network and

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01:00:14,950 --> 01:00:11,200
soon to be on x network

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that network launches october 31st

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take a quick break we'll be right back

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more with grant after this stay with us

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[Music]

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01:05:46,549 --> 01:05:44,870
welcome back fade to black i am your

1572
01:05:49,670 --> 01:05:46,559
host jimmy church on the game changer

1573
01:05:51,990 --> 01:05:49,680
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1574
01:05:55,109 --> 01:05:52,000
keep everybody posted

1575
01:05:56,549 --> 01:05:55,119
uh guest tonight our 1500th show is

1576
01:05:59,589 --> 01:05:56,559
grant cameron

1577
01:06:01,270 --> 01:05:59,599
and this is the deal uh during the break

1578
01:06:02,870 --> 01:06:01,280
uh grant

1579
01:06:05,190 --> 01:06:02,880
got to see me

1580
01:06:07,670 --> 01:06:05,200
uh pull up a step ladder uh did you see

1581
01:06:08,950 --> 01:06:07,680
me do that grant were you watching uh

1582
01:06:10,309 --> 01:06:08,960
you before the show you were doing that

1583
01:06:11,750 --> 01:06:10,319
i saw in the step ladder i didn't see it

1584
01:06:15,510 --> 01:06:11,760
during the break oh yeah i had to do

1585
01:06:17,430 --> 01:06:15,520
during the break i had a light go out

1586
01:06:19,829 --> 01:06:17,440
and uh and i'm like in the commercial

1587
01:06:23,029 --> 01:06:19,839
break i'm like what

1588
01:06:24,870 --> 01:06:23,039
and uh so break out the stepladder grant

1589
01:06:28,549 --> 01:06:24,880
you know the show's going on commercial

1590
01:06:32,549 --> 01:06:28,559
and i'm up on you know changing

1591
01:06:33,910 --> 01:06:32,559
if people could see me now um so anyway

1592
01:06:35,750 --> 01:06:33,920
um

1593
01:06:37,670 --> 01:06:35,760
it's just an honor to have you here

1594
01:06:38,950 --> 01:06:37,680
tonight grant and you mentioned

1595
01:06:41,349 --> 01:06:38,960
something

1596
01:06:44,390 --> 01:06:41,359
i want to jump back um and talk about

1597
01:06:47,910 --> 01:06:44,400
this triangle sighting for you in 1976

1598
01:06:50,950 --> 01:06:47,920
um because this wasn't charlie red star

1599
01:06:51,829 --> 01:06:50,960
right this is another sighting

1600
01:06:55,589 --> 01:06:51,839
and

1601
01:06:59,190 --> 01:06:55,599
really good point i don't think

1602
01:07:02,150 --> 01:06:59,200
anybody's been abducted yet i i don't

1603
01:07:03,349 --> 01:07:02,160
know of a triangle abduction experience

1604
01:07:07,190 --> 01:07:03,359
um

1605
01:07:08,390 --> 01:07:07,200
nothing violent right nothing offensive

1606
01:07:10,549 --> 01:07:08,400
um

1607
01:07:12,150 --> 01:07:10,559
they're just there lovelace talks about

1608
01:07:13,990 --> 01:07:12,160
the abduction with with his oh that's

1609
01:07:15,430 --> 01:07:14,000
right no terry loved lace that's right

1610
01:07:17,670 --> 01:07:15,440
that's right but it's very rare and it's

1611
01:07:19,430 --> 01:07:17,680
very rare that they land which is what

1612
01:07:21,270 --> 01:07:19,440
uh marler pointed that out that

1613
01:07:22,710 --> 01:07:21,280
triangles don't land but that seems to

1614
01:07:25,109 --> 01:07:22,720
be the same thing with ufos now that

1615
01:07:26,630 --> 01:07:25,119
ufos people see them flying around but

1616
01:07:29,109 --> 01:07:26,640
you very rarely see them landing on the

1617
01:07:31,430 --> 01:07:29,119
ground so and that's changed from when i

1618
01:07:33,829 --> 01:07:31,440
did my book in the charlie red star in

1619
01:07:36,470 --> 01:07:33,839
the 70s i mean i think i had about 10

1620
01:07:38,630 --> 01:07:36,480
cases in just the towns around this

1621
01:07:40,230 --> 01:07:38,640
small town where they were

1622
01:07:42,870 --> 01:07:40,240
you know landing on the ground burning

1623
01:07:45,349 --> 01:07:42,880
out crops leaving tripod marks and stuff

1624
01:07:47,670 --> 01:07:45,359
like that and i noticed after that that

1625
01:07:50,069 --> 01:07:47,680
i mean what happened to these things so

1626
01:07:52,230 --> 01:07:50,079
uh that's the the the sort of

1627
01:07:53,270 --> 01:07:52,240
significant part that it's this this

1628
01:07:55,430 --> 01:07:53,280
change but you're talking about the

1629
01:07:57,670 --> 01:07:55,440
sighting in 76 and the other thing that

1630
01:08:00,470 --> 01:07:57,680
that's interesting about it is is this

1631
01:08:01,990 --> 01:08:00,480
idea of perception because i remember um

1632
01:08:04,069 --> 01:08:02,000
when when it happened it started with

1633
01:08:06,390 --> 01:08:04,079
charlie redstar so it was this red

1634
01:08:09,750 --> 01:08:06,400
plasma

1635
01:08:12,390 --> 01:08:09,760
object and then in 76 these small balls

1636
01:08:13,990 --> 01:08:12,400
started appear on the ground and we we

1637
01:08:15,589 --> 01:08:14,000
called them ground lights because nobody

1638
01:08:16,950 --> 01:08:15,599
had used the word orb we didn't know

1639
01:08:18,229 --> 01:08:16,960
what orbs were at the time now

1640
01:08:19,829 --> 01:08:18,239
everybody's talking about orbs like

1641
01:08:21,269 --> 01:08:19,839
they're they've been around they were

1642
01:08:23,110 --> 01:08:21,279
not around because we didn't even call

1643
01:08:25,030 --> 01:08:23,120
them orbs we call them ground lights and

1644
01:08:26,470 --> 01:08:25,040
they were really reactive we could flash

1645
01:08:28,070 --> 01:08:26,480
lights at them and they would flash back

1646
01:08:29,269 --> 01:08:28,080
and they would respond and and we could

1647
01:08:30,950 --> 01:08:29,279
do all sorts of stuff we called them

1648
01:08:32,950 --> 01:08:30,960
tricks and we were taking infrared

1649
01:08:34,470 --> 01:08:32,960
photographs and color photographs and

1650
01:08:36,709 --> 01:08:34,480
trying to surround these things and in

1651
01:08:38,709 --> 01:08:36,719
the end i just gave up and that's when i

1652
01:08:40,870 --> 01:08:38,719
joined uh ufo sighting anonymous and

1653
01:08:42,229 --> 01:08:40,880
gave up on ufo sightings because people

1654
01:08:43,590 --> 01:08:42,239
would say oh come on let's go and look

1655
01:08:44,789 --> 01:08:43,600
at these lights on it and then they say

1656
01:08:46,149 --> 01:08:44,799
oh it's a car and they say no it's not a

1657
01:08:48,149 --> 01:08:46,159
car and they say yeah it's a car and i

1658
01:08:49,510 --> 01:08:48,159
go no and then they'd have after five

1659
01:08:50,950 --> 01:08:49,520
minutes you still think it's a car and

1660
01:08:52,309 --> 01:08:50,960
you said no it's not a car it's a farm

1661
01:08:53,990 --> 01:08:52,319
light and then we go through that and it

1662
01:08:55,749 --> 01:08:54,000
would be the same procedure every time

1663
01:08:57,269 --> 01:08:55,759
and it was just like a waste of time and

1664
01:08:58,709 --> 01:08:57,279
so i would tell them okay you want to go

1665
01:09:01,110 --> 01:08:58,719
see this thing here's where it is drive

1666
01:09:03,030 --> 01:09:01,120
down highway 3 turn to 205 go two miles

1667
01:09:04,470 --> 01:09:03,040
head toward the u.s border and good luck

1668
01:09:06,789 --> 01:09:04,480
and i'm not going i'm tired of this

1669
01:09:09,829 --> 01:09:06,799
stuff but the one night we were we were

1670
01:09:11,669 --> 01:09:09,839
driving around and i was with these uh

1671
01:09:13,430 --> 01:09:11,679
four kids one of them actually is has

1672
01:09:16,709 --> 01:09:13,440
passed away since then but they were

1673
01:09:19,910 --> 01:09:16,719
much younger than i was i was maybe 22

1674
01:09:21,590 --> 01:09:19,920
and they were about 14 15 and they lived

1675
01:09:23,349 --> 01:09:21,600
on the street so i would all these kids

1676
01:09:24,789 --> 01:09:23,359
would say can we come can we come ufo

1677
01:09:26,070 --> 01:09:24,799
sighting and i'd be going out there

1678
01:09:27,990 --> 01:09:26,080
basically every second day because i

1679
01:09:29,669 --> 01:09:28,000
basically just shut down university and

1680
01:09:30,950 --> 01:09:29,679
said man i got i got it this is the

1681
01:09:33,110 --> 01:09:30,960
biggest story i've ever seen and i was

1682
01:09:34,709 --> 01:09:33,120
chasing this thing so we had these what

1683
01:09:38,070 --> 01:09:34,719
were called ground lights on the ground

1684
01:09:39,590 --> 01:09:38,080
and i i took the one kid out and um i

1685
01:09:41,189 --> 01:09:39,600
showed him how you could flash three

1686
01:09:42,390 --> 01:09:41,199
times it would flash back three times

1687
01:09:44,229 --> 01:09:42,400
you could take the light from side to

1688
01:09:46,309 --> 01:09:44,239
side and it would move like a like a

1689
01:09:47,829 --> 01:09:46,319
leaf back and forth and it would

1690
01:09:49,189 --> 01:09:47,839
one would do the tricks and the other

1691
01:09:51,829 --> 01:09:49,199
one would sort of dim down there would

1692
01:09:53,030 --> 01:09:51,839
always be two of them and um so i had

1693
01:09:54,870 --> 01:09:53,040
the one kid out there showing him these

1694
01:09:57,430 --> 01:09:54,880
tricks i put him back in the car and

1695
01:09:59,350 --> 01:09:57,440
then i took the second his brother out

1696
01:10:01,270 --> 01:09:59,360
and as i was showing him this thing

1697
01:10:02,870 --> 01:10:01,280
started making this whistling beeping

1698
01:10:04,630 --> 01:10:02,880
noise which i'd never heard i never

1699
01:10:06,550 --> 01:10:04,640
heard any noise from it and it was like

1700
01:10:09,350 --> 01:10:06,560
a morse coat of it was a whistling noise

1701
01:10:11,510 --> 01:10:09,360
and i and it was just instantaneous fear

1702
01:10:13,590 --> 01:10:11,520
it was like like people you hear people

1703
01:10:16,630 --> 01:10:13,600
describe this as as scared as you can

1704
01:10:18,310 --> 01:10:16,640
possibly get and i go oh no i've upset

1705
01:10:20,310 --> 01:10:18,320
this thing now the big one's going to

1706
01:10:21,669 --> 01:10:20,320
come down and i looked up on the on the

1707
01:10:23,189 --> 01:10:21,679
american border we're facing the

1708
01:10:24,870 --> 01:10:23,199
american border i looked up and there's

1709
01:10:26,790 --> 01:10:24,880
this huge arc welding laid on the on the

1710
01:10:30,070 --> 01:10:26,800
border and i go then it's just total

1711
01:10:31,590 --> 01:10:30,080
panic city and i go oh no like

1712
01:10:33,669 --> 01:10:31,600
and and these kids aren't going to get

1713
01:10:35,590 --> 01:10:33,679
abducted and that was when travis travis

1714
01:10:38,070 --> 01:10:35,600
hadn't even no travis was taken a couple

1715
01:10:39,990 --> 01:10:38,080
months before that but so we had some

1716
01:10:41,350 --> 01:10:40,000
idea about abductions but again there

1717
01:10:44,550 --> 01:10:41,360
was really no abductions there was the

1718
01:10:46,630 --> 01:10:44,560
pascagoula thing it was tied into uh the

1719
01:10:48,630 --> 01:10:46,640
the nuclear weapons travis walton was

1720
01:10:50,149 --> 01:10:48,640
tied into nuclear weapons uh the betty

1721
01:10:51,590 --> 01:10:50,159
and barney hill had been done but there

1722
01:10:53,030 --> 01:10:51,600
was really no abductions at that point

1723
01:10:54,229 --> 01:10:53,040
we really didn't know much about it we

1724
01:10:56,550 --> 01:10:54,239
didn't know about missing time that

1725
01:10:57,830 --> 01:10:56,560
didn't happen until the 1980s so i said

1726
01:10:59,430 --> 01:10:57,840
oh we're going to get abducted i

1727
01:11:02,070 --> 01:10:59,440
shouldn't have done this these kids

1728
01:11:04,229 --> 01:11:02,080
aren't coming home or whatever and uh so

1729
01:11:05,830 --> 01:11:04,239
we went back into the car and i remember

1730
01:11:07,830 --> 01:11:05,840
this thing was going along and the weird

1731
01:11:10,070 --> 01:11:07,840
thing was is you'll hear this about

1732
01:11:12,790 --> 01:11:10,080
perception where you describe it and

1733
01:11:13,910 --> 01:11:12,800
then somebody besides you the one kid

1734
01:11:15,669 --> 01:11:13,920
actually becoming an aeronautical

1735
01:11:17,590 --> 01:11:15,679
engineer he went to finland became and

1736
01:11:19,910 --> 01:11:17,600
he had come home to his mother's house

1737
01:11:22,790 --> 01:11:19,920
on my street and i saw him and i said

1738
01:11:24,070 --> 01:11:22,800
hey brian you remember that uh

1739
01:11:25,270 --> 01:11:24,080
sighting we had and he said oh yeah i

1740
01:11:27,030 --> 01:11:25,280
remember that and he he started talking

1741
01:11:28,470 --> 01:11:27,040
and said hang on i'm going to put you on

1742
01:11:30,310 --> 01:11:28,480
tape i don't want you to tell me i'd

1743
01:11:32,630 --> 01:11:30,320
never talk to him about it and when he

1744
01:11:35,110 --> 01:11:32,640
described the sighting he described this

1745
01:11:36,950 --> 01:11:35,120
metal with blue lights and i go blue

1746
01:11:38,709 --> 01:11:36,960
lights there's no blue lights i didn't

1747
01:11:40,630 --> 01:11:38,719
say anything to him but he saw something

1748
01:11:43,110 --> 01:11:40,640
almost completely different than i saw

1749
01:11:44,950 --> 01:11:43,120
but the thing made this sort of a turn

1750
01:11:45,830 --> 01:11:44,960
it came around it started as an arc

1751
01:11:47,910 --> 01:11:45,840
welding light and this is the thing

1752
01:11:49,270 --> 01:11:47,920
about lights in the sky is that they

1753
01:11:51,110 --> 01:11:49,280
will actually change shape they'll

1754
01:11:53,189 --> 01:11:51,120
change color and it started as this arc

1755
01:11:55,270 --> 01:11:53,199
welding light as it came around it shot

1756
01:11:57,669 --> 01:11:55,280
a blue beam down onto these two lights

1757
01:11:59,030 --> 01:11:57,679
on that we were flashing lights at and

1758
01:12:00,790 --> 01:11:59,040
then it made the turn i'm going no no

1759
01:12:02,310 --> 01:12:00,800
don't don't turn don't turn and it made

1760
01:12:03,910 --> 01:12:02,320
the turn and it came around and all of a

1761
01:12:06,229 --> 01:12:03,920
sudden it was coming down the road very

1762
01:12:08,950 --> 01:12:06,239
very low and i'm telling you totally

1763
01:12:10,550 --> 01:12:08,960
petrified i told the kids i said and and

1764
01:12:12,229 --> 01:12:10,560
we knew nothing about triangles so there

1765
01:12:13,750 --> 01:12:12,239
may have been triangle settings before i

1766
01:12:15,830 --> 01:12:13,760
had never heard about a triangle side he

1767
01:12:18,310 --> 01:12:15,840
didn't know anything about triangles he

1768
01:12:19,830 --> 01:12:18,320
was coming down the road and and i said

1769
01:12:21,910 --> 01:12:19,840
to them give me my binoculars and i

1770
01:12:23,430 --> 01:12:21,920
remember i was shaking so bad i had to

1771
01:12:25,270 --> 01:12:23,440
hold the binoculars on the inside of the

1772
01:12:26,550 --> 01:12:25,280
glass of the car i'm looking straight up

1773
01:12:28,790 --> 01:12:26,560
and i'm trying to hold the binoculars

1774
01:12:30,790 --> 01:12:28,800
still and i'll tell you jimmy it was

1775
01:12:32,310 --> 01:12:30,800
either very low or it was very big

1776
01:12:34,310 --> 01:12:32,320
because it was the entire field of

1777
01:12:36,550 --> 01:12:34,320
vision that's all it was was these these

1778
01:12:37,910 --> 01:12:36,560
huge lights two red lights on the front

1779
01:12:39,510 --> 01:12:37,920
and a green light in the back and it was

1780
01:12:41,430 --> 01:12:39,520
flying as most people would describe the

1781
01:12:43,430 --> 01:12:41,440
triangle it's flying backwards so the

1782
01:12:45,270 --> 01:12:43,440
point is facing away so the front end

1783
01:12:47,189 --> 01:12:45,280
the flat edge of the triangle is coming

1784
01:12:49,189 --> 01:12:47,199
at us and it was right above the car it

1785
01:12:51,669 --> 01:12:49,199
was above the it was sitting above the

1786
01:12:53,750 --> 01:12:51,679
car and i'm looking up at this thing

1787
01:12:56,470 --> 01:12:53,760
and then i described this almost like

1788
01:12:57,910 --> 01:12:56,480
the the the oz effect when you start to

1789
01:13:00,149 --> 01:12:57,920
realize this thing may not be as

1790
01:13:01,990 --> 01:13:00,159
physical and it may not be as as

1791
01:13:03,830 --> 01:13:02,000
clear-cut as we think it is because what

1792
01:13:06,390 --> 01:13:03,840
happened is it was sitting there and it

1793
01:13:08,630 --> 01:13:06,400
made like a uh there was a pilot who uh

1794
01:13:10,550 --> 01:13:08,640
had an experience where the thing flew

1795
01:13:12,229 --> 01:13:10,560
in front of the plane the plane stopped

1796
01:13:13,910 --> 01:13:12,239
you could see the the prop just slowly

1797
01:13:15,110 --> 01:13:13,920
going and then it went back together and

1798
01:13:17,910 --> 01:13:15,120
he said it was like putting a film

1799
01:13:19,910 --> 01:13:17,920
together and a jerk and this and he got

1800
01:13:21,350 --> 01:13:19,920
petrified it was exactly that same third

1801
01:13:24,070 --> 01:13:21,360
thing it was sitting there and it was

1802
01:13:25,669 --> 01:13:24,080
just a slight move just tiniest move

1803
01:13:27,390 --> 01:13:25,679
like they'd taken a film and put it back

1804
01:13:29,350 --> 01:13:27,400
together and the fear was

1805
01:13:31,510 --> 01:13:29,360
instantaneously gone there was no fear

1806
01:13:33,030 --> 01:13:31,520
whatsoever it just gone and then the

1807
01:13:34,790 --> 01:13:33,040
thing started to slowly move away and it

1808
01:13:36,229 --> 01:13:34,800
was moving towards this microwave tower

1809
01:13:38,790 --> 01:13:36,239
and that's when the royal canadian

1810
01:13:40,310 --> 01:13:38,800
amount of police that came in and the

1811
01:13:42,870 --> 01:13:40,320
royal canyon amount of police was filing

1812
01:13:45,189 --> 01:13:42,880
sightings and stuff and um

1813
01:13:46,870 --> 01:13:45,199
he came he comes up behind the car and i

1814
01:13:48,390 --> 01:13:46,880
said watch i'm going to get this guy so

1815
01:13:50,070 --> 01:13:48,400
he i rolled down the window and he puts

1816
01:13:51,030 --> 01:13:50,080
the flashlight in the car and he says so

1817
01:13:52,310 --> 01:13:51,040
what's going on here because we're in

1818
01:13:54,070 --> 01:13:52,320
the middle of nowhere like there's

1819
01:13:55,830 --> 01:13:54,080
nothing there's not a house and this is

1820
01:13:57,430 --> 01:13:55,840
this is a manitoba

1821
01:13:59,990 --> 01:13:57,440
this is manitoba yeah and it'd be about

1822
01:14:02,149 --> 01:14:00,000
maybe 20 miles north of the north dakota

1823
01:14:04,790 --> 01:14:02,159
border okay in the middle of farmland

1824
01:14:07,669 --> 01:14:04,800
flat as can be no hills no nothing what

1825
01:14:09,510 --> 01:14:07,679
town what town were you living in then

1826
01:14:11,669 --> 01:14:09,520
i still lived in the city so it was the

1827
01:14:13,030 --> 01:14:11,679
what had happened was oh you drove down

1828
01:14:14,950 --> 01:14:13,040
from winnipeg

1829
01:14:16,790 --> 01:14:14,960
yeah okay and this happened about 35

1830
01:14:18,709 --> 01:14:16,800
miles southwest it was carmen was the

1831
01:14:20,550 --> 01:14:18,719
main town where this thing started and

1832
01:14:22,870 --> 01:14:20,560
where we had this experience was maybe

1833
01:14:25,350 --> 01:14:22,880
11 miles closer to the city

1834
01:14:27,030 --> 01:14:25,360
but this uh guy came up this rocket

1835
01:14:28,630 --> 01:14:27,040
amount of police guy came up and i had

1836
01:14:29,830 --> 01:14:28,640
been written up in the paper there as

1837
01:14:31,030 --> 01:14:29,840
being the guy that was going to jump on

1838
01:14:32,950 --> 01:14:31,040
this thing i was close to one of these

1839
01:14:34,790 --> 01:14:32,960
orbs i was so close i was going to jump

1840
01:14:36,950 --> 01:14:34,800
on it and it was maybe two and a half

1841
01:14:37,990 --> 01:14:36,960
feet across i was within a couple of

1842
01:14:40,790 --> 01:14:38,000
feet of this thing i had an eight

1843
01:14:42,310 --> 01:14:40,800
millimeter movie camera going and i was

1844
01:14:45,590 --> 01:14:42,320
going to jump on it and then it ran this

1845
01:14:46,870 --> 01:14:45,600
little diversion and and escaped but uh

1846
01:14:48,470 --> 01:14:46,880
so i said to him watch i'm going to get

1847
01:14:50,070 --> 01:14:48,480
this guy and i

1848
01:14:51,189 --> 01:14:50,080
he i think he realized that i was the

1849
01:14:53,030 --> 01:14:51,199
guy who was written up in the paper

1850
01:14:54,550 --> 01:14:53,040
because i i said he said what's going on

1851
01:14:56,310 --> 01:14:54,560
here and he said you see that object

1852
01:14:57,910 --> 01:14:56,320
there and it just triangle clear as day

1853
01:14:59,350 --> 01:14:57,920
you can still see this triangle the two

1854
01:15:00,630 --> 01:14:59,360
red lights and the green light is flying

1855
01:15:02,470 --> 01:15:00,640
towards this microwave though he says

1856
01:15:03,750 --> 01:15:02,480
yeah i see it and i said oh we're just

1857
01:15:05,110 --> 01:15:03,760
watching these lights down at the end of

1858
01:15:06,950 --> 01:15:05,120
the road and he said what light since i

1859
01:15:08,709 --> 01:15:06,960
said well turn turn your lights off on

1860
01:15:10,390 --> 01:15:08,719
your car and he had like the flashers

1861
01:15:11,910 --> 01:15:10,400
were going and stuff he said okay so he

1862
01:15:13,270 --> 01:15:11,920
turns off the car and the the lights

1863
01:15:14,390 --> 01:15:13,280
whatever and then i take them and it's

1864
01:15:15,830 --> 01:15:14,400
completely black and i take the

1865
01:15:17,830 --> 01:15:15,840
flashlight put it up in the air put it

1866
01:15:19,669 --> 01:15:17,840
back down and this light appears and it

1867
01:15:21,910 --> 01:15:19,679
goes up into the air goes back down and

1868
01:15:24,070 --> 01:15:21,920
this guy looks and then i do it again

1869
01:15:26,149 --> 01:15:24,080
side to side and he looks again and then

1870
01:15:27,430 --> 01:15:26,159
he says uh probably just a couple of

1871
01:15:28,950 --> 01:15:27,440
guys down at the end of the road having

1872
01:15:31,030 --> 01:15:28,960
a beer and i said well we've been

1873
01:15:33,189 --> 01:15:31,040
chasing it for eight six miles and he

1874
01:15:35,669 --> 01:15:33,199
goes oh okay i guess we'll see you guys

1875
01:15:37,110 --> 01:15:35,679
hey no no id check nothing he turns

1876
01:15:38,470 --> 01:15:37,120
around he starts going towards the car

1877
01:15:40,229 --> 01:15:38,480
and i said to the kids get his license

1878
01:15:41,510 --> 01:15:40,239
plate number and off they go and they

1879
01:15:43,110 --> 01:15:41,520
start running towards the car and he

1880
01:15:44,870 --> 01:15:43,120
jumps in the car and there's a federal

1881
01:15:46,790 --> 01:15:44,880
police officer and takes off the gravel

1882
01:15:48,470 --> 01:15:46,800
slide and he just didn't want to get he

1883
01:15:50,149 --> 01:15:48,480
realized he'd been suckered into this

1884
01:15:52,630 --> 01:15:50,159
thing of admitting that he'd seen this

1885
01:15:53,750 --> 01:15:52,640
this triangle flying along but it was an

1886
01:15:54,870 --> 01:15:53,760
it was an important time like you were

1887
01:15:56,149 --> 01:15:54,880
talking about kevin day i want to

1888
01:15:58,310 --> 01:15:56,159
mention this because

1889
01:16:00,070 --> 01:15:58,320
um you you talked about this thing where

1890
01:16:01,910 --> 01:16:00,080
it dropped down

1891
01:16:03,350 --> 01:16:01,920
the reason i went out there

1892
01:16:04,950 --> 01:16:03,360
and i believe it had to do with nuclear

1893
01:16:06,870 --> 01:16:04,960
weapons but there i i was supposed to go

1894
01:16:09,350 --> 01:16:06,880
out in february that's when they put in

1895
01:16:11,830 --> 01:16:09,360
the uh 100 new nuclear missiles into

1896
01:16:14,229 --> 01:16:11,840
north dakota north dakota was a was a

1897
01:16:16,470 --> 01:16:14,239
nuclear superpower it had 300 minutemen

1898
01:16:19,030 --> 01:16:16,480
nuclear silos with three warheads on

1899
01:16:20,709 --> 01:16:19,040
them each and in 1975 they put in the

1900
01:16:21,990 --> 01:16:20,719
only anti-ballistic missile unit that

1901
01:16:23,270 --> 01:16:22,000
ever went operational in the united

1902
01:16:24,630 --> 01:16:23,280
states they were supposed to put one at

1903
01:16:26,709 --> 01:16:24,640
maelstrom they didn't put it in but the

1904
01:16:27,910 --> 01:16:26,719
north dakota at cools route north dakota

1905
01:16:29,590 --> 01:16:27,920
they put in a hundred new nuclear

1906
01:16:30,790 --> 01:16:29,600
whistles that's when all the ufo

1907
01:16:33,590 --> 01:16:30,800
sightings started on other side of the

1908
01:16:35,750 --> 01:16:33,600
border and it went on till november with

1909
01:16:36,950 --> 01:16:35,760
a high point in november they made an

1910
01:16:38,470 --> 01:16:36,960
agreement with the russians they start

1911
01:16:39,669 --> 01:16:38,480
taking these missiles out that's when

1912
01:16:42,790 --> 01:16:39,679
the sightings

1913
01:16:44,229 --> 01:16:42,800
toned off and and and went away but um

1914
01:16:45,590 --> 01:16:44,239
what had happened was we were going to

1915
01:16:47,590 --> 01:16:45,600
go out in february february and i said

1916
01:16:48,790 --> 01:16:47,600
to my friend i had no interest in ufos i

1917
01:16:49,830 --> 01:16:48,800
just said hey let's go see what

1918
01:16:51,350 --> 01:16:49,840
everybody's looking at because we used

1919
01:16:52,790 --> 01:16:51,360
to drive around the big city nothing to

1920
01:16:54,229 --> 01:16:52,800
do let's go out to carmen and see what

1921
01:16:55,350 --> 01:16:54,239
these people are looking at and i always

1922
01:16:56,790 --> 01:16:55,360
said it was like buying the lottery

1923
01:16:57,990 --> 01:16:56,800
ticket i'm going to buy the lottery

1924
01:16:58,870 --> 01:16:58,000
ticket but i'm not going to win we'll go

1925
01:17:00,550 --> 01:16:58,880
there we're not going to see anything

1926
01:17:03,350 --> 01:17:00,560
but let's let's just go and see what's

1927
01:17:05,750 --> 01:17:03,360
going to go on so we what had happened

1928
01:17:07,110 --> 01:17:05,760
was uh there was tv crews there was the

1929
01:17:09,189 --> 01:17:07,120
the the canadian broadcasting

1930
01:17:11,510 --> 01:17:09,199
corporations the government's tv station

1931
01:17:12,550 --> 01:17:11,520
i tried to get it and the the private

1932
01:17:14,790 --> 01:17:12,560
station

1933
01:17:15,910 --> 01:17:14,800
cky affiliate had gone out and they were

1934
01:17:17,990 --> 01:17:15,920
trying to capture this thing because it

1935
01:17:19,669 --> 01:17:18,000
was there all the time and cky just

1936
01:17:21,270 --> 01:17:19,679
about got it and then they they went

1937
01:17:22,950 --> 01:17:21,280
back to the news producer and they said

1938
01:17:24,630 --> 01:17:22,960
oh we got we almost got it last night we

1939
01:17:26,630 --> 01:17:24,640
almost got it on film and then the guy

1940
01:17:28,070 --> 01:17:26,640
said that's it no more no more overtime

1941
01:17:29,750 --> 01:17:28,080
it's garbage you guys want to go and

1942
01:17:31,350 --> 01:17:29,760
chase stupid ufos you can go on your own

1943
01:17:34,709 --> 01:17:31,360
time so they got a crew together of

1944
01:17:36,870 --> 01:17:34,719
volunteer uh reporters and the guy the

1945
01:17:38,550 --> 01:17:36,880
the cameraman was actually a film editor

1946
01:17:40,470 --> 01:17:38,560
he'd never shot one of these big cameras

1947
01:17:41,990 --> 01:17:40,480
in the 1970s these big tv cameras he'd

1948
01:17:44,310 --> 01:17:42,000
never shot one before in his life and

1949
01:17:46,470 --> 01:17:44,320
they had set up there and i remember the

1950
01:17:48,390 --> 01:17:46,480
the guy that was shooting it

1951
01:17:49,430 --> 01:17:48,400
uh they they've gone down it was sitting

1952
01:17:51,830 --> 01:17:49,440
on the on the ground they could see it

1953
01:17:53,510 --> 01:17:51,840
was on the ground and they'd send in uh

1954
01:17:54,950 --> 01:17:53,520
cars one on the north side of it one on

1955
01:17:56,550 --> 01:17:54,960
the south side of it to try to surround

1956
01:17:57,910 --> 01:17:56,560
it and he's watching this thing and he

1957
01:17:59,270 --> 01:17:57,920
says oh last night they almost got

1958
01:18:00,790 --> 01:17:59,280
something so it was going up it was

1959
01:18:02,229 --> 01:18:00,800
glowing up and it would glow back down

1960
01:18:04,470 --> 01:18:02,239
and glow up and go back down he said

1961
01:18:06,229 --> 01:18:04,480
next time it glows up i'm going to shoot

1962
01:18:08,229 --> 01:18:06,239
and it was almost like the ufo said

1963
01:18:09,750 --> 01:18:08,239
you're ready because he pushed the

1964
01:18:12,870 --> 01:18:09,760
trigger and the thing jumped in the air

1965
01:18:16,070 --> 01:18:12,880
so what we had was you had the nimitz go

1966
01:18:17,350 --> 01:18:16,080
from 80 000 down to sea level this went

1967
01:18:18,870 --> 01:18:17,360
according to the reports we haven't got

1968
01:18:21,510 --> 01:18:18,880
the exact data we may have to get

1969
01:18:23,030 --> 01:18:21,520
someone like like uh bob mcguire to do

1970
01:18:24,630 --> 01:18:23,040
the exact data it was eight and a

1971
01:18:26,630 --> 01:18:24,640
quarter miles away it went from the

1972
01:18:28,390 --> 01:18:26,640
bottom of the frame to the top of the

1973
01:18:30,229 --> 01:18:28,400
frame in three frames one eighth of a

1974
01:18:31,910 --> 01:18:30,239
second it went from the bottom the

1975
01:18:34,149 --> 01:18:31,920
second was a flat what we call a flash

1976
01:18:36,550 --> 01:18:34,159
frame the whole horizon lights up for

1977
01:18:38,390 --> 01:18:36,560
one frame of film and in the third frame

1978
01:18:40,709 --> 01:18:38,400
it's at the top what we heard it went

1979
01:18:42,790 --> 01:18:40,719
from ground level to five thousand feet

1980
01:18:44,630 --> 01:18:42,800
in three frames one eighth of a second

1981
01:18:46,470 --> 01:18:44,640
so that's we got it on a film and that

1982
01:18:48,149 --> 01:18:46,480
was a film and i remember the the film

1983
01:18:49,910 --> 01:18:48,159
guy i went to get a copy of the film

1984
01:18:51,510 --> 01:18:49,920
from him and he said no i don't make any

1985
01:18:53,830 --> 01:18:51,520
film every time i make a copy for the

1986
01:18:55,669 --> 01:18:53,840
people this thing disappears and then he

1987
01:18:57,270 --> 01:18:55,679
tells the story of jaylen heineck coming

1988
01:18:59,270 --> 01:18:57,280
that jaylen heineck and he didn't trust

1989
01:19:01,189 --> 01:18:59,280
john behind jail and heineken come to

1990
01:19:03,510 --> 01:19:01,199
get this film but he he was really

1991
01:19:05,430 --> 01:19:03,520
pressuring him he wanted not one copy he

1992
01:19:07,189 --> 01:19:05,440
wanted two copies of the film so he gave

1993
01:19:08,870 --> 01:19:07,199
it to jail and heineke i got a copy from

1994
01:19:10,790 --> 01:19:08,880
he finally made a third generation copy

1995
01:19:11,830 --> 01:19:10,800
for me of this 12 seconds of film where

1996
01:19:15,030 --> 01:19:11,840
this thing jumps up in the air and it

1997
01:19:16,470 --> 01:19:15,040
goes flying across the sky and uh when i

1998
01:19:18,310 --> 01:19:16,480
sold my house you think i could find

1999
01:19:20,470 --> 01:19:18,320
that six inch reel with that tape on it

2000
01:19:22,630 --> 01:19:20,480
was gone but it is on the documentary

2001
01:19:24,870 --> 01:19:22,640
that jack valet actually narrates it's

2002
01:19:27,350 --> 01:19:24,880
on this uh i believe it's a cia dump of

2003
01:19:29,990 --> 01:19:27,360
information ufo cover up live that doc

2004
01:19:32,229 --> 01:19:30,000
that video is on there and it's three

2005
01:19:33,510 --> 01:19:32,239
frames of film it's spectacular and

2006
01:19:35,830 --> 01:19:33,520
that's why i went out when i saw the

2007
01:19:38,229 --> 01:19:35,840
film because the the tv station had done

2008
01:19:39,990 --> 01:19:38,239
a major documentary on it eight minutes

2009
01:19:41,430 --> 01:19:40,000
and they're going frame by frame how

2010
01:19:43,350 --> 01:19:41,440
this thing was going on a wave and it's

2011
01:19:45,910 --> 01:19:43,360
flashing as it's going on this wave and

2012
01:19:48,390 --> 01:19:45,920
they they broke it down frame by frame

2013
01:19:49,990 --> 01:19:48,400
and then the the the nbc picked it up it

2014
01:19:51,990 --> 01:19:50,000
went viral and they actually gave the

2015
01:19:54,070 --> 01:19:52,000
guy 50 bucks because nobody got paid and

2016
01:19:55,270 --> 01:19:54,080
they said keep your mouth shut nbc is

2017
01:19:56,950 --> 01:19:55,280
going to interview you about this film

2018
01:19:58,390 --> 01:19:56,960
the guy who shot it whatever so of

2019
01:19:59,910 --> 01:19:58,400
course when the guy left he took the

2020
01:20:01,510 --> 01:19:59,920
film with him so when i went to seek her

2021
01:20:03,270 --> 01:20:01,520
i say you got that film he said no we

2022
01:20:05,350 --> 01:20:03,280
can't find it it's missing and i think

2023
01:20:06,790 --> 01:20:05,360
that the guy that shot it figured like i

2024
01:20:09,510 --> 01:20:06,800
never got paid for this thing i took it

2025
01:20:11,030 --> 01:20:09,520
anyway so that's the thing is is this is

2026
01:20:12,870 --> 01:20:11,040
what i call a theory of wow where

2027
01:20:14,390 --> 01:20:12,880
they're just showing off it's like just

2028
01:20:15,990 --> 01:20:14,400
bizarre they allowed themselves to get

2029
01:20:17,590 --> 01:20:16,000
caught in the ground and that's what got

2030
01:20:19,350 --> 01:20:17,600
me out i would not have gone if it had

2031
01:20:20,629 --> 01:20:19,360
not been for them capturing that thing

2032
01:20:22,470 --> 01:20:20,639
jumping in the air because when i saw it

2033
01:20:23,750 --> 01:20:22,480
i said come on let's go come on

2034
01:20:25,590 --> 01:20:23,760
it's still there let's go and see what's

2035
01:20:27,189 --> 01:20:25,600
going on and the first night i went out

2036
01:20:28,629 --> 01:20:27,199
we were there for an hour driving in and

2037
01:20:30,550 --> 01:20:28,639
out and it came right in front of the

2038
01:20:32,070 --> 01:20:30,560
car there was no doubt it was like they

2039
01:20:33,669 --> 01:20:32,080
wanted me to see it because it was not a

2040
01:20:36,229 --> 01:20:33,679
light in the sky it was an object right

2041
01:20:37,510 --> 01:20:36,239
in front of the car down low bobbing

2042
01:20:38,870 --> 01:20:37,520
pulsing

2043
01:20:40,629 --> 01:20:38,880
i just like fell off the edge of the

2044
01:20:42,070 --> 01:20:40,639
earth and the second night i was really

2045
01:20:43,669 --> 01:20:42,080
close it came right at me the second

2046
01:20:45,669 --> 01:20:43,679
night with all these people yelling and

2047
01:20:47,110 --> 01:20:45,679
screaming and swearing and and jumping

2048
01:20:49,110 --> 01:20:47,120
up and down and applauding almost like

2049
01:20:51,030 --> 01:20:49,120
when when you see the the the i know if

2050
01:20:52,550 --> 01:20:51,040
you've seen uh the eclipses but i

2051
01:20:54,310 --> 01:20:52,560
remember i went to oregon a couple years

2052
01:20:55,830 --> 01:20:54,320
ago and i saw an eclipse in the 70s i

2053
01:20:57,830 --> 01:20:55,840
went to oregon to see the eclipse a

2054
01:21:00,070 --> 01:20:57,840
couple years ago and i remember it's the

2055
01:21:01,430 --> 01:21:00,080
same thing it was like this ufo sighting

2056
01:21:03,270 --> 01:21:01,440
where as soon as it clips is over and

2057
01:21:05,270 --> 01:21:03,280
the the sun starts to come back up

2058
01:21:07,110 --> 01:21:05,280
everybody in this oregon park stands up

2059
01:21:09,430 --> 01:21:07,120
and starts to applaud and cheering you

2060
01:21:11,910 --> 01:21:09,440
and i were you and i were there together

2061
01:21:13,669 --> 01:21:11,920
uh i remember that you were over you

2062
01:21:15,350 --> 01:21:13,679
were on shasta

2063
01:21:17,430 --> 01:21:15,360
you were you were on the mountain i was

2064
01:21:19,590 --> 01:21:17,440
i was in the town of

2065
01:21:22,390 --> 01:21:19,600
whatever that that town is

2066
01:21:24,709 --> 01:21:22,400
um in an airbnb but i was watching your

2067
01:21:25,590 --> 01:21:24,719
reports you went out you you walked the

2068
01:21:28,149 --> 01:21:25,600
trail

2069
01:21:29,030 --> 01:21:28,159
you were trying we we left shasta to go

2070
01:21:30,950 --> 01:21:29,040
because the

2071
01:21:32,629 --> 01:21:30,960
shasta didn't have the full eclipse you

2072
01:21:34,310 --> 01:21:32,639
had to go into oregon so we had gone in

2073
01:21:35,590 --> 01:21:34,320
the middle of the night because there

2074
01:21:37,110 --> 01:21:35,600
was all this stuff about oh there's so

2075
01:21:39,110 --> 01:21:37,120
many cars and you couldn't get a place

2076
01:21:41,110 --> 01:21:39,120
and there was no hotel rooms so we left

2077
01:21:43,510 --> 01:21:41,120
in the middle of the night to drive into

2078
01:21:45,750 --> 01:21:43,520
the to the shadow in oregon we were at

2079
01:21:46,950 --> 01:21:45,760
shasta but we left that morning to get

2080
01:21:48,790 --> 01:21:46,960
into the shadows so we could see the

2081
01:21:51,030 --> 01:21:48,800
full eclipse yeah and the full eclipse

2082
01:21:53,030 --> 01:21:51,040
is people people have no idea how

2083
01:21:54,790 --> 01:21:53,040
exhilarating it is and how thrilled

2084
01:21:57,189 --> 01:21:54,800
people standing there and applauding the

2085
01:22:00,550 --> 01:21:57,199
universe it's like ah cheering

2086
01:22:03,510 --> 01:22:00,560
well where we were at shasta we still

2087
01:22:04,950 --> 01:22:03,520
got i think we got like 90 percent yeah

2088
01:22:06,470 --> 01:22:04,960
but um

2089
01:22:08,070 --> 01:22:06,480
that was bizarre you know what was

2090
01:22:09,510 --> 01:22:08,080
bizarre about the eclipse i'm gonna stay

2091
01:22:12,149 --> 01:22:09,520
on ufos

2092
01:22:13,669 --> 01:22:12,159
but the eerie thing about it i can't

2093
01:22:15,350 --> 01:22:13,679
wait for

2094
01:22:18,070 --> 01:22:15,360
another eclipse to go through this

2095
01:22:21,990 --> 01:22:18,080
because now i know what to expect

2096
01:22:22,870 --> 01:22:22,000
is how cold it got yeah and how quiet it

2097
01:22:25,110 --> 01:22:22,880
got

2098
01:22:28,149 --> 01:22:25,120
yeah and it happened quick

2099
01:22:28,950 --> 01:22:28,159
drops yeah and and darkest darkest dark

2100
01:22:31,030 --> 01:22:28,960
dark

2101
01:22:33,510 --> 01:22:31,040
that's what i noticed it's like wow it

2102
01:22:35,189 --> 01:22:33,520
was just bizarre it's just it's really a

2103
01:22:37,590 --> 01:22:35,199
thrilling thing it's a thrilling thing

2104
01:22:40,229 --> 01:22:37,600
to go through and can you imagine

2105
01:22:41,830 --> 01:22:40,239
uh you know go back like 2 000 years

2106
01:22:44,790 --> 01:22:41,840
when you don't even know what's going on

2107
01:22:47,430 --> 01:22:44,800
and that crap happens right

2108
01:22:49,110 --> 01:22:47,440
oh man and that's what the ufo sighting

2109
01:22:50,709 --> 01:22:49,120
was like because i remember there was 27

2110
01:22:52,149 --> 01:22:50,719
people what had happened was everybody

2111
01:22:53,350 --> 01:22:52,159
from the city the big city was out there

2112
01:22:54,950 --> 01:22:53,360
trying to see this thing and then you

2113
01:22:56,790 --> 01:22:54,960
had the kids with beer and on the roads

2114
01:22:58,709 --> 01:22:56,800
they have all these side roads and stuff

2115
01:23:00,229 --> 01:22:58,719
and so there was 27 people on the middle

2116
01:23:02,149 --> 01:23:00,239
of this road in the middle of nowhere

2117
01:23:04,310 --> 01:23:02,159
that all gathered together and by the

2118
01:23:05,750 --> 01:23:04,320
time that it came my friends all said

2119
01:23:06,950 --> 01:23:05,760
now we're going back for winnipeg we're

2120
01:23:08,390 --> 01:23:06,960
hungry we're going back and i said no no

2121
01:23:10,470 --> 01:23:08,400
you got to see this they stay and they

2122
01:23:12,470 --> 01:23:10,480
all took off on me and i remember the

2123
01:23:13,990 --> 01:23:12,480
the car beside us the girl couldn't see

2124
01:23:15,510 --> 01:23:14,000
it it because it was jumping around the

2125
01:23:16,950 --> 01:23:15,520
sky it was this flashing thing it was in

2126
01:23:19,350 --> 01:23:16,960
field of visuals jumping all over the

2127
01:23:20,790 --> 01:23:19,360
sky and and and everybody was going oh

2128
01:23:23,030 --> 01:23:20,800
the cow and this guy had a he had a

2129
01:23:24,709 --> 01:23:23,040
nikon camera just as nikon

2130
01:23:25,750 --> 01:23:24,719
had brought out the the motor drives

2131
01:23:26,950 --> 01:23:25,760
remember how they moved the film with

2132
01:23:28,390 --> 01:23:26,960
the motor drives yeah and i remember

2133
01:23:30,149 --> 01:23:28,400
this guy all i could hear was this guy

2134
01:23:31,030 --> 01:23:30,159
with the camera going click

2135
01:23:32,790 --> 01:23:31,040
click

2136
01:23:33,910 --> 01:23:32,800
and he was unloading the camera as this

2137
01:23:35,270 --> 01:23:33,920
thing was coming and this girl's

2138
01:23:36,709 --> 01:23:35,280
screaming i can't see it she's crying i

2139
01:23:38,550 --> 01:23:36,719
can't see it someone show it to me and

2140
01:23:39,990 --> 01:23:38,560
everybody's ignoring her and they're

2141
01:23:42,390 --> 01:23:40,000
screaming and yelling and it was just

2142
01:23:43,910 --> 01:23:42,400
like just unbelievable no and that's

2143
01:23:45,750 --> 01:23:43,920
what this is going to drag down the

2144
01:23:47,030 --> 01:23:45,760
rabbit hole you can't let that go when

2145
01:23:49,189 --> 01:23:47,040
you see something like that no you can't

2146
01:23:49,990 --> 01:23:49,199
you can't and all of this was in carmen

2147
01:23:51,830 --> 01:23:50,000
right

2148
01:23:54,870 --> 01:23:51,840
yeah the first ones were carmen the one

2149
01:23:56,550 --> 01:23:54,880
with the the triangle was uh about 11

2150
01:23:59,590 --> 01:23:56,560
miles away from there because it had

2151
01:24:00,950 --> 01:23:59,600
seemed to have moved 11 miles in 1976

2152
01:24:02,550 --> 01:24:00,960
but the objects changed there was no

2153
01:24:04,790 --> 01:24:02,560
longer charlie red star there was these

2154
01:24:06,390 --> 01:24:04,800
triangles flying around but

2155
01:24:07,669 --> 01:24:06,400
and i didn't realize until we started

2156
01:24:09,110 --> 01:24:07,679
the triangle book that i'd actually had

2157
01:24:11,189 --> 01:24:09,120
the triangle sighting i'd completely

2158
01:24:12,790 --> 01:24:11,199
forgotten about it and it was uh it was

2159
01:24:15,030 --> 01:24:12,800
one of the five times that i got really

2160
01:24:18,310 --> 01:24:15,040
really close i was close five times in

2161
01:24:20,310 --> 01:24:18,320
two years now carmen truly

2162
01:24:22,870 --> 01:24:20,320
is in the middle of nowhere

2163
01:24:25,830 --> 01:24:22,880
yeah you know i've been to winnipeg uh

2164
01:24:28,390 --> 01:24:25,840
i've been to regina okay i have been to

2165
01:24:29,750 --> 01:24:28,400
regina not too many people it's kind of

2166
01:24:30,950 --> 01:24:29,760
a big place now because they've got oil

2167
01:24:32,070 --> 01:24:30,960
there so

2168
01:24:33,910 --> 01:24:32,080
it's not the place to me probably were

2169
01:24:35,189 --> 01:24:33,920
there before it's a little bit more hip

2170
01:24:36,950 --> 01:24:35,199
than it was before they've actually

2171
01:24:38,310 --> 01:24:36,960
freeways winnipeg is the only major city

2172
01:24:41,030 --> 01:24:38,320
in north america i think this is not

2173
01:24:43,590 --> 01:24:41,040
freeways where 750 000 people and got no

2174
01:24:46,870 --> 01:24:43,600
freeways so yeah but i'm looking at

2175
01:24:50,470 --> 01:24:46,880
carmen here and it's small now yeah i

2176
01:24:53,189 --> 01:24:50,480
can't imagine what it was like in 1976

2177
01:24:54,870 --> 01:24:53,199
but it's just surrounded by basically

2178
01:24:56,790 --> 01:24:54,880
it's just farmland that's that's why i

2179
01:24:58,629 --> 01:24:56,800
was so amazed because what i was that's

2180
01:25:00,709 --> 01:24:58,639
when i when when i saw it the second

2181
01:25:02,149 --> 01:25:00,719
night and it was flying away and i said

2182
01:25:04,870 --> 01:25:02,159
that may be an extraterrestrial from

2183
01:25:07,030 --> 01:25:04,880
another planet but then i'm going what's

2184
01:25:08,390 --> 01:25:07,040
it doing like it's not doing anything

2185
01:25:09,669 --> 01:25:08,400
and that's what always comes to when

2186
01:25:11,110 --> 01:25:09,679
people have these ufo signs like what

2187
01:25:12,390 --> 01:25:11,120
was it doing they go i wasn't doing

2188
01:25:14,629 --> 01:25:12,400
anything it was just there

2189
01:25:16,629 --> 01:25:14,639
and and so i asked the the guy who ran

2190
01:25:19,030 --> 01:25:16,639
the airport who was bob demert who

2191
01:25:19,990 --> 01:25:19,040
actually got to talk to uh james irwin

2192
01:25:22,070 --> 01:25:20,000
we have that

2193
01:25:23,750 --> 01:25:22,080
uh in one of the latest i have a video

2194
01:25:25,350 --> 01:25:23,760
of him talking about it where james

2195
01:25:27,430 --> 01:25:25,360
urban tells him about the ufo on the

2196
01:25:29,669 --> 01:25:27,440
moon and he was a guy that rebuilt old

2197
01:25:31,590 --> 01:25:29,679
warplanes he run the airport there and

2198
01:25:32,709 --> 01:25:31,600
he built a japanese zero he pulled it

2199
01:25:35,590 --> 01:25:32,719
out of the jungle and rebuilt the

2200
01:25:37,270 --> 01:25:35,600
japanese zero and um so when i went to

2201
01:25:38,709 --> 01:25:37,280
him i said bob

2202
01:25:40,390 --> 01:25:38,719
why were they here why did they come to

2203
01:25:42,149 --> 01:25:40,400
carmen there's nothing here i mean it's

2204
01:25:43,990 --> 01:25:42,159
like just farmland he said you know why

2205
01:25:46,070 --> 01:25:44,000
they're here i said no bob i don't know

2206
01:25:47,030 --> 01:25:46,080
i i have no idea he said i told you why

2207
01:25:49,750 --> 01:25:47,040
they were here you know why they're here

2208
01:25:51,350 --> 01:25:49,760
i said bob in 35 years i have no idea

2209
01:25:53,270 --> 01:25:51,360
why they came to carman he said i told

2210
01:25:55,189 --> 01:25:53,280
you it's the missile silas and as soon

2211
01:25:56,870 --> 01:25:55,199
as he said that i knew because we all

2212
01:25:58,870 --> 01:25:56,880
knew there was these 300

2213
01:25:59,830 --> 01:25:58,880
missiles in north dakota and if there

2214
01:26:02,470 --> 01:25:59,840
was ever

2215
01:26:03,669 --> 01:26:02,480
a a war it's not a la it's going to get

2216
01:26:05,270 --> 01:26:03,679
taken out or

2217
01:26:06,470 --> 01:26:05,280
new york it's us that's going to take it

2218
01:26:07,750 --> 01:26:06,480
out because the number one thing you've

2219
01:26:09,590 --> 01:26:07,760
got to do the number one target of the

2220
01:26:11,270 --> 01:26:09,600
russian missiles is the missile fields

2221
01:26:12,950 --> 01:26:11,280
unless you take out the north dakota

2222
01:26:14,709 --> 01:26:12,960
missile fields you're not going to see

2223
01:26:16,070 --> 01:26:14,719
what's going to happen so that's the

2224
01:26:17,750 --> 01:26:16,080
number one target is there and i knew

2225
01:26:20,470 --> 01:26:17,760
that every 10th russian missile was

2226
01:26:21,910 --> 01:26:20,480
going to land short on top of us so we

2227
01:26:23,350 --> 01:26:21,920
all knew that observing a nuclear war

2228
01:26:24,310 --> 01:26:23,360
we're the first to go so we all knew

2229
01:26:26,790 --> 01:26:24,320
they were there and when he said the

2230
01:26:28,390 --> 01:26:26,800
nuclear missiles i went oh yeah the

2231
01:26:29,750 --> 01:26:28,400
nuclear missiles because we'd all seen

2232
01:26:31,910 --> 01:26:29,760
them they're in these farm fields you

2233
01:26:33,110 --> 01:26:31,920
know with the the fence and

2234
01:26:35,350 --> 01:26:33,120
and then i started looking into that

2235
01:26:37,030 --> 01:26:35,360
whole aspect and did i think three hours

2236
01:26:39,990 --> 01:26:37,040
of of the connection between nuclear

2237
01:26:41,350 --> 01:26:40,000
missiles and uh and ufos and it's way

2238
01:26:42,709 --> 01:26:41,360
bigger than people think it is it

2239
01:26:44,790 --> 01:26:42,719
there's unbelievable when you start

2240
01:26:48,470 --> 01:26:44,800
tying in all the stories whether it's

2241
01:26:50,390 --> 01:26:48,480
rental shim six day war young kippur war

2242
01:26:51,910 --> 01:26:50,400
all those things you'll see ufos

2243
01:26:54,390 --> 01:26:51,920
involved because they're all involved

2244
01:26:56,070 --> 01:26:54,400
nuclear missiles and that's a big big

2245
01:26:57,030 --> 01:26:56,080
part of the ufo story is nuclear

2246
01:26:59,430 --> 01:26:57,040
missiles

2247
01:27:01,510 --> 01:26:59,440
yeah just if if you just go around north

2248
01:27:03,910 --> 01:27:01,520
dakota and pick up some spots in the

2249
01:27:05,910 --> 01:27:03,920
middle of nowhere and kind of zoom in

2250
01:27:08,790 --> 01:27:05,920
you can see

2251
01:27:11,270 --> 01:27:08,800
they're everywhere man

2252
01:27:14,149 --> 01:27:11,280
they're everywhere there's many in every

2253
01:27:15,270 --> 01:27:14,159
county uh we need to uh uh take our

2254
01:27:16,709 --> 01:27:15,280
break here

2255
01:27:20,310 --> 01:27:16,719
but uh

2256
01:27:22,070 --> 01:27:20,320
what do you think um you know 11 miles

2257
01:27:24,310 --> 01:27:22,080
outside of carmen

2258
01:27:26,310 --> 01:27:24,320
and you have this encounter flying

2259
01:27:28,149 --> 01:27:26,320
backwards by the way well uh we're

2260
01:27:29,110 --> 01:27:28,159
calling it backwards because of the flat

2261
01:27:30,070 --> 01:27:29,120
side

2262
01:27:32,470 --> 01:27:30,080
um

2263
01:27:33,990 --> 01:27:32,480
what do you think that message was

2264
01:27:36,390 --> 01:27:34,000
i know you'd think it was free but

2265
01:27:37,830 --> 01:27:36,400
what's the message

2266
01:27:40,310 --> 01:27:37,840
what do you think that was

2267
01:27:42,950 --> 01:27:40,320
well i i think i think for me it was it

2268
01:27:44,390 --> 01:27:42,960
was just this um dragging me into this

2269
01:27:45,750 --> 01:27:44,400
and that something happened that's

2270
01:27:47,669 --> 01:27:45,760
people always ask you do you think

2271
01:27:50,229 --> 01:27:47,679
you're abducted i said no i have no

2272
01:27:51,590 --> 01:27:50,239
recollection but if i was ever abducted

2273
01:27:54,149 --> 01:27:51,600
that was when it happened because it was

2274
01:27:55,590 --> 01:27:54,159
this bizarre thing where it was there

2275
01:27:57,590 --> 01:27:55,600
like this terrible fear like

2276
01:27:59,990 --> 01:27:57,600
unbelievable this little it was a

2277
01:28:01,430 --> 01:28:00,000
slightest move just like a like that and

2278
01:28:02,629 --> 01:28:01,440
boom the fear was gone and the things

2279
01:28:04,709 --> 01:28:02,639
started to move away so something

2280
01:28:06,310 --> 01:28:04,719
happened and we didn't know like people

2281
01:28:08,229 --> 01:28:06,320
don't realize bud hopkins didn't write

2282
01:28:09,910 --> 01:28:08,239
missing time until the 1980s so we

2283
01:28:11,270 --> 01:28:09,920
didn't know anything about missing time

2284
01:28:12,790 --> 01:28:11,280
so there may have been missing time

2285
01:28:15,030 --> 01:28:12,800
there may have been some encounter there

2286
01:28:16,629 --> 01:28:15,040
or whatever but i don't recall it and i

2287
01:28:18,870 --> 01:28:16,639
don't have any but that was the most

2288
01:28:20,629 --> 01:28:18,880
bizarre sighting in terms of if i'd been

2289
01:28:22,310 --> 01:28:20,639
abducted that's when it happened in that

2290
01:28:23,750 --> 01:28:22,320
triangle thing above above because it

2291
01:28:25,910 --> 01:28:23,760
was that weird thing there was something

2292
01:28:28,229 --> 01:28:25,920
happened there that changed from fear to

2293
01:28:30,550 --> 01:28:28,239
nothing this little movement uh and it

2294
01:28:31,669 --> 01:28:30,560
was it was very bizarre but again i'd

2295
01:28:34,070 --> 01:28:31,679
forgotten about it until we did the

2296
01:28:36,310 --> 01:28:34,080
triangle book and then i revisited it

2297
01:28:38,149 --> 01:28:36,320
and uh the message to me is always gonna

2298
01:28:39,990 --> 01:28:38,159
be the same thing that i think we're all

2299
01:28:41,990 --> 01:28:40,000
sort of picked you and i we're all

2300
01:28:45,030 --> 01:28:42,000
picked we're all i've agreed to play in

2301
01:28:47,189 --> 01:28:45,040
this game and uh because the things that

2302
01:28:49,669 --> 01:28:47,199
happened to me were not accident i look

2303
01:28:51,030 --> 01:28:49,679
i look back and i realize that all these

2304
01:28:52,950 --> 01:28:51,040
things uh there were so many

2305
01:28:55,030 --> 01:28:52,960
synchronicities it was like i was

2306
01:28:56,950 --> 01:28:55,040
intended to do this and this is my role

2307
01:28:59,590 --> 01:28:56,960
and that's the way i look at it

2308
01:29:01,430 --> 01:28:59,600
the uh the other part

2309
01:29:04,550 --> 01:29:01,440
uh to this

2310
01:29:06,550 --> 01:29:04,560
it appeared uh from the south

2311
01:29:09,030 --> 01:29:06,560
right from north dakota

2312
01:29:10,950 --> 01:29:09,040
did it when it flew back did it head

2313
01:29:12,550 --> 01:29:10,960
back did it head south did it head back

2314
01:29:14,229 --> 01:29:12,560
to towards the united states he made

2315
01:29:15,270 --> 01:29:14,239
this it was going along the u.s border

2316
01:29:16,790 --> 01:29:15,280
and i was looking out of the corner of

2317
01:29:18,070 --> 01:29:16,800
my eye because i was so scared it was on

2318
01:29:19,430 --> 01:29:18,080
the u.s border was going along the us

2319
01:29:20,790 --> 01:29:19,440
border and that's why i said don't turn

2320
01:29:22,310 --> 01:29:20,800
don't turn and it started to make the

2321
01:29:23,750 --> 01:29:22,320
turn because we were north and it

2322
01:29:25,750 --> 01:29:23,760
started to come towards the road and i

2323
01:29:27,110 --> 01:29:25,760
said no no don't turn and then i it

2324
01:29:28,470 --> 01:29:27,120
started to turn down the road and that's

2325
01:29:29,189 --> 01:29:28,480
when it turned into the triangle it was

2326
01:29:31,270 --> 01:29:29,199
this

2327
01:29:33,189 --> 01:29:31,280
brilliant arc welding light thing and as

2328
01:29:35,350 --> 01:29:33,199
it turned on the try on the road then

2329
01:29:37,110 --> 01:29:35,360
suddenly it was this low on the

2330
01:29:38,709 --> 01:29:37,120
above the ground maybe a couple hundred

2331
01:29:40,149 --> 01:29:38,719
feet or whatever and i could see it was

2332
01:29:41,910 --> 01:29:40,159
a triangle it was coming directly at the

2333
01:29:43,669 --> 01:29:41,920
car and that's when i just panicked and

2334
01:29:44,790 --> 01:29:43,679
i said give me my binoculars and it was

2335
01:29:46,149 --> 01:29:44,800
right above the car i was looking

2336
01:29:47,830 --> 01:29:46,159
straight up at this thing and it was the

2337
01:29:49,270 --> 01:29:47,840
entire field of vision and i would i

2338
01:29:50,870 --> 01:29:49,280
thought these lights were five or ten

2339
01:29:52,550 --> 01:29:50,880
feet across and i couldn't tell whether

2340
01:29:53,750 --> 01:29:52,560
there was lights on a craft or there

2341
01:29:55,510 --> 01:29:53,760
were there was three objects but i think

2342
01:29:57,350 --> 01:29:55,520
it was lights on a craft so when this

2343
01:29:59,590 --> 01:29:57,360
kid in the back seat said oh i saw the

2344
01:30:02,070 --> 01:29:59,600
gunmetal it was it was great gunmetal

2345
01:30:03,590 --> 01:30:02,080
like a metal you saw metal and he said

2346
01:30:05,510 --> 01:30:03,600
yeah yeah and there was blue lights on

2347
01:30:07,189 --> 01:30:05,520
it and i went there's no i didn't say to

2348
01:30:08,470 --> 01:30:07,199
him but but he saw something completely

2349
01:30:09,830 --> 01:30:08,480
different but he remembered the same

2350
01:30:11,110 --> 01:30:09,840
thing when i said you remember that

2351
01:30:12,629 --> 01:30:11,120
sighting he said yeah i remember that

2352
01:30:14,149 --> 01:30:12,639
sighting everyone remembered it was just

2353
01:30:16,390 --> 01:30:14,159
like dramatic

2354
01:30:18,629 --> 01:30:16,400
sighting and then it moved away from the

2355
01:30:20,149 --> 01:30:18,639
americas it came over us and then it

2356
01:30:21,830 --> 01:30:20,159
moved towards this microwave tower which

2357
01:30:23,270 --> 01:30:21,840
was always was involved in a couple of

2358
01:30:25,110 --> 01:30:23,280
things so what direction towards this

2359
01:30:27,189 --> 01:30:25,120
microwave yeah what direction would that

2360
01:30:28,950 --> 01:30:27,199
have been north northeast from where i

2361
01:30:30,229 --> 01:30:28,960
was so it was still i was traveling

2362
01:30:31,510 --> 01:30:30,239
northeast so let's take our bridge we're

2363
01:30:32,950 --> 01:30:31,520
going to the town of bronkeld if you're

2364
01:30:35,669 --> 01:30:32,960
looking on a map it was heading towards

2365
01:30:37,590 --> 01:30:35,679
the bronx guild microwave tower so we're

2366
01:30:39,270 --> 01:30:37,600
at sperling is where we had seen the

2367
01:30:40,229 --> 01:30:39,280
object that was heading towards

2368
01:30:42,870 --> 01:30:40,239
uh

2369
01:30:45,030 --> 01:30:42,880
i've got the whole now oh there it is

2370
01:30:47,510 --> 01:30:45,040
okay i got you we'll be right back our

2371
01:30:49,270 --> 01:30:47,520
guest tonight 1500 shows

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01:30:56,220 --> 01:30:49,280
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01:30:56,230 --> 01:31:06,550
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01:31:38,950 --> 01:31:37,110
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2380
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2382
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01:34:24,229 --> 01:34:22,709
welcome back fade to black i am your

2425
01:34:25,669 --> 01:34:24,239
host jimmy church i guess tonight grant

2426
01:34:29,189 --> 01:34:25,679
cameron i'm going to say it again

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01:34:31,430 --> 01:34:29,199
tonight is our 1500th show celebrating

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01:34:32,709 --> 01:34:31,440
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01:34:35,350 --> 01:34:32,719
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01:34:37,189 --> 01:34:35,360
uh grant you you brought up you brought

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up a point earlier

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01:34:46,709 --> 01:34:43,840
crash retrievals now like we used to

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budget uh

2436
01:34:52,229 --> 01:34:49,440
for

2437
01:34:55,990 --> 01:34:52,239
uh the the intelligence budget

2438
01:34:57,189 --> 01:34:56,000
um has uh the provisions in there for a

2439
01:34:59,510 --> 01:34:57,199
new

2440
01:35:02,390 --> 01:34:59,520
uh uap task force i don't know what the

2441
01:35:03,910 --> 01:35:02,400
name of the new permanent uh task force

2442
01:35:07,030 --> 01:35:03,920
is going to be called

2443
01:35:09,109 --> 01:35:07,040
but in the terminology uh here there are

2444
01:35:10,950 --> 01:35:09,119
five points that are made

2445
01:35:11,910 --> 01:35:10,960
and one of them

2446
01:35:15,189 --> 01:35:11,920
uh

2447
01:35:18,070 --> 01:35:15,199
i could read the exact verbiage but

2448
01:35:19,510 --> 01:35:18,080
um and it's uh number three and number

2449
01:35:21,510 --> 01:35:19,520
three states

2450
01:35:22,390 --> 01:35:21,520
i'm going to paraphrase

2451
01:35:25,390 --> 01:35:22,400
that

2452
01:35:27,030 --> 01:35:25,400
any debris

2453
01:35:29,910 --> 01:35:27,040
retrieved

2454
01:35:31,510 --> 01:35:29,920
from a crashed uap

2455
01:35:33,750 --> 01:35:31,520
needs to be

2456
01:35:35,669 --> 01:35:33,760
collected and reported

2457
01:35:37,990 --> 01:35:35,679
now

2458
01:35:38,950 --> 01:35:38,000
that's that's pretty interesting

2459
01:35:39,910 --> 01:35:38,960
and

2460
01:35:44,070 --> 01:35:39,920
the

2461
01:35:45,109 --> 01:35:44,080
budget

2462
01:35:45,910 --> 01:35:45,119
right

2463
01:35:51,270 --> 01:35:45,920
and

2464
01:35:54,310 --> 01:35:51,280
is not playing around it's a very

2465
01:35:57,109 --> 01:35:54,320
uh direct uh statement and and this

2466
01:35:59,270 --> 01:35:57,119
effectively becomes law by the way

2467
01:36:00,310 --> 01:35:59,280
um and

2468
01:36:07,109 --> 01:36:00,320
they

2469
01:36:08,629 --> 01:36:07,119
because there have been reports of crash

2470
01:36:09,510 --> 01:36:08,639
retrievals

2471
01:36:22,310 --> 01:36:09,520
and

2472
01:36:24,950 --> 01:36:22,320
they want to know

2473
01:36:25,750 --> 01:36:24,960
and now it's part of this report

2474
01:36:29,109 --> 01:36:25,760
so

2475
01:36:32,070 --> 01:36:29,119
we may not have known publicly about

2476
01:36:34,229 --> 01:36:32,080
crash retrievals and and debris but it

2477
01:36:36,229 --> 01:36:34,239
appears to me that it's been going on

2478
01:36:37,910 --> 01:36:36,239
and and now

2479
01:36:39,430 --> 01:36:37,920
uh they want to know and they want

2480
01:36:41,030 --> 01:36:39,440
reports filed don't you find that

2481
01:36:42,470 --> 01:36:41,040
interesting

2482
01:36:43,990 --> 01:36:42,480
yeah well what they're trying to do i

2483
01:36:47,270 --> 01:36:44,000
think is they're trying it's the old

2484
01:36:48,870 --> 01:36:47,280
idea of the black budget where you have

2485
01:36:51,350 --> 01:36:48,880
uh people hiding stuff from other

2486
01:36:53,830 --> 01:36:51,360
departments so trying to centralize it

2487
01:36:56,629 --> 01:36:53,840
so that everybody has to report rather

2488
01:36:58,629 --> 01:36:56,639
than oh you just said ufo sightings and

2489
01:37:00,149 --> 01:36:58,639
able to hide stuff so trying to get that

2490
01:37:01,990 --> 01:37:00,159
because that that's what i think it's

2491
01:37:03,189 --> 01:37:02,000
all about it's gone from

2492
01:37:05,750 --> 01:37:03,199
um

2493
01:37:07,510 --> 01:37:05,760
exploration to exploitation so this is

2494
01:37:09,590 --> 01:37:07,520
not about trying to figure out what ufos

2495
01:37:11,750 --> 01:37:09,600
is about this is about technology this

2496
01:37:14,149 --> 01:37:11,760
is about military technology

2497
01:37:16,229 --> 01:37:14,159
for example i'll state that they're not

2498
01:37:18,629 --> 01:37:16,239
really going to look at

2499
01:37:20,950 --> 01:37:18,639
experiencer stuff because there's this

2500
01:37:23,750 --> 01:37:20,960
title 10 thing you you can't deal with

2501
01:37:25,669 --> 01:37:23,760
civilians so basically what this is is

2502
01:37:26,870 --> 01:37:25,679
to try to get the material but the

2503
01:37:28,870 --> 01:37:26,880
problem with the material is that they

2504
01:37:30,629 --> 01:37:28,880
can get it all together

2505
01:37:32,950 --> 01:37:30,639
and i i i didn't interview with jack

2506
01:37:34,870 --> 01:37:32,960
vallea asked about this is this idea

2507
01:37:36,870 --> 01:37:34,880
that a lot of people have reported that

2508
01:37:38,790 --> 01:37:36,880
they have all this technology or all

2509
01:37:40,950 --> 01:37:38,800
this material they may even have an

2510
01:37:42,390 --> 01:37:40,960
intact craft and they can't turn it on

2511
01:37:45,189 --> 01:37:42,400
is the idea that they're they're trying

2512
01:37:47,109 --> 01:37:45,199
to gather it all together but even then

2513
01:37:50,149 --> 01:37:47,119
i i asked jack mallet i said jack isn't

2514
01:37:52,390 --> 01:37:50,159
this kind of strange where you know

2515
01:37:53,910 --> 01:37:52,400
bigelow talked about the fact that yeah

2516
01:37:55,750 --> 01:37:53,920
there was roswell but there was also one

2517
01:37:57,350 --> 01:37:55,760
in china and there was one in russia and

2518
01:37:59,189 --> 01:37:57,360
there was one in south america and

2519
01:38:00,790 --> 01:37:59,199
they're seeding these things and then i

2520
01:38:02,310 --> 01:38:00,800
said to jacques like and then these

2521
01:38:04,070 --> 01:38:02,320
metal pieces are falling all over the

2522
01:38:05,590 --> 01:38:04,080
place and doesn't doesn't it seem kind

2523
01:38:07,109 --> 01:38:05,600
of strange shocked that these these

2524
01:38:08,629 --> 01:38:07,119
flying saucers come across the galaxy

2525
01:38:10,550 --> 01:38:08,639
and then little pieces start to fall off

2526
01:38:12,470 --> 01:38:10,560
them and i said this look more like

2527
01:38:14,390 --> 01:38:12,480
gifting and then jack says i think i

2528
01:38:15,590 --> 01:38:14,400
came up with that idea and that's what

2529
01:38:16,550 --> 01:38:15,600
you what they're what they're doing is

2530
01:38:18,310 --> 01:38:16,560
they're trying to gather all the

2531
01:38:20,629 --> 01:38:18,320
material because because what what i

2532
01:38:21,669 --> 01:38:20,639
think has happened is uh before world

2533
01:38:23,270 --> 01:38:21,679
war ii

2534
01:38:25,430 --> 01:38:23,280
the way that stuff worked was you had

2535
01:38:27,109 --> 01:38:25,440
research budgets where people were

2536
01:38:29,030 --> 01:38:27,119
trying to figure out uh the nature of

2537
01:38:30,950 --> 01:38:29,040
the dual slit experiment and

2538
01:38:33,030 --> 01:38:30,960
consciousness and all this kind of stuff

2539
01:38:35,350 --> 01:38:33,040
and then what happened in world war ii

2540
01:38:37,030 --> 01:38:35,360
was that when they went to war

2541
01:38:38,950 --> 01:38:37,040
instead of setting scientists to war

2542
01:38:40,629 --> 01:38:38,960
with guns they made them what we're

2543
01:38:42,550 --> 01:38:40,639
called dollar year men where they would

2544
01:38:44,390 --> 01:38:42,560
work for the military and work on

2545
01:38:46,149 --> 01:38:44,400
inventions and that's where in world war

2546
01:38:48,390 --> 01:38:46,159
ii they came up with 200 different

2547
01:38:49,750 --> 01:38:48,400
inventions the proximity fuse the atomic

2548
01:38:52,550 --> 01:38:49,760
bomb

2549
01:38:57,430 --> 01:38:55,510
plastic explosives synthetic rubber

2550
01:38:58,790 --> 01:38:57,440
nylon all this kind of stuff and they

2551
01:39:00,550 --> 01:38:58,800
realized that this actually works very

2552
01:39:02,709 --> 01:39:00,560
good that what you do is so you do the

2553
01:39:04,149 --> 01:39:02,719
shut up and calculate and you gather the

2554
01:39:07,350 --> 01:39:04,159
material and you try to get the

2555
01:39:09,510 --> 01:39:07,360
technology so i think what the the the

2556
01:39:11,030 --> 01:39:09,520
the the program that's being run is just

2557
01:39:12,950 --> 01:39:11,040
going to be based on technology it's

2558
01:39:15,669 --> 01:39:12,960
going to be on back engineering this

2559
01:39:17,750 --> 01:39:15,679
kind of stuff uh and it wouldn't that's

2560
01:39:19,590 --> 01:39:17,760
the thing is you you need to get control

2561
01:39:21,430 --> 01:39:19,600
of it so that some agency isn't hiding

2562
01:39:23,350 --> 01:39:21,440
the material they're trying to collect

2563
01:39:24,950 --> 01:39:23,360
it all in one sort of area because

2564
01:39:27,270 --> 01:39:24,960
that's the problem that you have that's

2565
01:39:29,350 --> 01:39:27,280
what they claim for 9 11 was the reason

2566
01:39:31,030 --> 01:39:29,360
9 11 happened is because none of the

2567
01:39:32,790 --> 01:39:31,040
agencies were talking to each other and

2568
01:39:34,390 --> 01:39:32,800
you have this breakdown in communication

2569
01:39:35,910 --> 01:39:34,400
so they're trying to gather everything

2570
01:39:36,950 --> 01:39:35,920
together i still don't think they're

2571
01:39:39,030 --> 01:39:36,960
going to

2572
01:39:41,590 --> 01:39:39,040
be able to solve the problem i still

2573
01:39:43,750 --> 01:39:41,600
think this stuff is beyond uh the

2574
01:39:46,229 --> 01:39:43,760
technology that they have and that you

2575
01:39:47,590 --> 01:39:46,239
can have all the hardware you want and i

2576
01:39:50,149 --> 01:39:47,600
i don't think they're going to really be

2577
01:39:51,910 --> 01:39:50,159
able to uh to back engineer they say

2578
01:39:54,070 --> 01:39:51,920
they they will but

2579
01:39:56,229 --> 01:39:54,080
i think it even jim semivan said i don't

2580
01:39:58,709 --> 01:39:56,239
think i'll i'll live long enough to see

2581
01:40:00,149 --> 01:39:58,719
the end result of this whole thing of

2582
01:40:02,229 --> 01:40:00,159
doing it because it's like you know the

2583
01:40:04,709 --> 01:40:02,239
idea of getting a cell phone 200 years

2584
01:40:05,669 --> 01:40:04,719
ago and and trying to back engineer it

2585
01:40:07,350 --> 01:40:05,679
that

2586
01:40:09,189 --> 01:40:07,360
you have the hardware and you even have

2587
01:40:12,470 --> 01:40:09,199
triangles and hardware if you know the

2588
01:40:14,790 --> 01:40:12,480
tyler d story uh the material where he

2589
01:40:17,189 --> 01:40:14,800
was at the gifting field in new mexico

2590
01:40:18,870 --> 01:40:17,199
one of the pieces that i got the

2591
01:40:20,790 --> 01:40:18,880
photographs of one of the pieces that he

2592
01:40:22,550 --> 01:40:20,800
recovered there and it has a triangle

2593
01:40:23,990 --> 01:40:22,560
and a circle inside the triangle so

2594
01:40:26,229 --> 01:40:24,000
these triangle things appear all over

2595
01:40:28,470 --> 01:40:26,239
the place to appear on people's bodies

2596
01:40:30,390 --> 01:40:28,480
and they even appear on hardware which

2597
01:40:32,070 --> 01:40:30,400
again it sort of indicates is like this

2598
01:40:34,550 --> 01:40:32,080
hint from whoever is behind this

2599
01:40:36,629 --> 01:40:34,560
technology that here's another triangle

2600
01:40:38,470 --> 01:40:36,639
and they're they're putting it out there

2601
01:40:41,990 --> 01:40:38,480
well there is uh

2602
01:40:44,229 --> 01:40:42,000
okay i have um i have the the actual

2603
01:40:47,030 --> 01:40:44,239
five pages in front of me

2604
01:40:49,030 --> 01:40:47,040
yeah and uh

2605
01:40:53,189 --> 01:40:49,040
the

2606
01:40:56,390 --> 01:40:53,199
uh let me let me let me pull this up

2607
01:40:58,060 --> 01:40:56,400
directly i want to uh read this to you

2608
01:41:00,790 --> 01:40:58,070
um

2609
01:41:09,109 --> 01:41:00,800
[Music]

2610
01:41:14,229 --> 01:41:10,629
okay here we go

2611
01:41:15,350 --> 01:41:14,239
um and and this um and and i just think

2612
01:41:17,510 --> 01:41:15,360
of uh

2613
01:41:19,030 --> 01:41:17,520
uh john burroughs

2614
01:41:20,149 --> 01:41:19,040
uh

2615
01:41:26,310 --> 01:41:20,159
about this

2616
01:41:31,990 --> 01:41:29,590
point number four is evaluating links

2617
01:41:34,310 --> 01:41:32,000
between unidentified aerial phenomena

2618
01:41:37,510 --> 01:41:34,320
and adversarial foreign governments

2619
01:41:39,109 --> 01:41:37,520
other foreign governments or non-state

2620
01:41:42,149 --> 01:41:39,119
actors

2621
01:41:44,390 --> 01:41:42,159
um number six evaluating the threat that

2622
01:41:46,629 --> 01:41:44,400
such incidents present to the united

2623
01:41:48,470 --> 01:41:46,639
states number six

2624
01:41:50,790 --> 01:41:48,480
coordinating with other departments and

2625
01:41:52,149 --> 01:41:50,800
agencies of the federal government as

2626
01:41:54,149 --> 01:41:52,159
appropriate

2627
01:41:55,830 --> 01:41:54,159
coordinating with allies and partners of

2628
01:41:58,950 --> 01:41:55,840
the united states as appropriate to

2629
01:42:01,990 --> 01:41:58,960
better access the nature and extent of

2630
01:42:07,030 --> 01:42:02,000
unidentified aerial phenomena

2631
01:42:08,070 --> 01:42:07,040
um and then it's uh speaks about uh

2632
01:42:10,709 --> 01:42:08,080
the

2633
01:42:12,149 --> 01:42:10,719
and

2634
01:42:14,470 --> 01:42:12,159
um

2635
01:42:17,830 --> 01:42:14,480
i i just i i

2636
01:42:19,510 --> 01:42:17,840
don't understand unless they know

2637
01:42:20,709 --> 01:42:19,520
and it goes back to like the condon

2638
01:42:21,910 --> 01:42:20,719
report

2639
01:42:30,629 --> 01:42:21,920
um

2640
01:42:33,910 --> 01:42:30,639
unidentified aerial phenomenon means

2641
01:42:35,669 --> 01:42:33,920
airborne objects witnessed by a pilot or

2642
01:42:39,990 --> 01:42:35,679
air crew member

2643
01:42:41,030 --> 01:42:40,000
that are not immediately identifiable

2644
01:42:43,910 --> 01:42:41,040
and

2645
01:42:47,830 --> 01:42:46,149
number j

2646
01:42:50,709 --> 01:42:47,840
an assessment

2647
01:42:54,030 --> 01:42:50,719
of any health related effects for

2648
01:42:56,629 --> 01:42:54,040
individuals that have encountered

2649
01:42:57,910 --> 01:42:56,639
unidentified aerial phenomena

2650
01:43:00,709 --> 01:42:57,920
yeah now

2651
01:43:02,790 --> 01:43:00,719
again you know just like uh the the

2652
01:43:06,229 --> 01:43:02,800
crash retrieval part

2653
01:43:09,750 --> 01:43:08,470
they put this in here for a reason

2654
01:43:11,669 --> 01:43:09,760
their

2655
01:43:14,070 --> 01:43:11,679
kit green and nolan were doing the study

2656
01:43:15,430 --> 01:43:14,080
on they had the military people and

2657
01:43:17,189 --> 01:43:15,440
that's why i'm saying this has got to do

2658
01:43:19,030 --> 01:43:17,199
with military this is not civilian

2659
01:43:20,709 --> 01:43:19,040
because they can't they can't access

2660
01:43:22,950 --> 01:43:20,719
civilians they're not allowed to and

2661
01:43:25,030 --> 01:43:22,960
that's why the skinwalker ranch thing is

2662
01:43:27,189 --> 01:43:25,040
not part of this and the experience of

2663
01:43:29,430 --> 01:43:27,199
stuff won't be part of it but the the

2664
01:43:32,070 --> 01:43:29,440
they got the reports from the military

2665
01:43:33,590 --> 01:43:32,080
people who were within 500 yards of the

2666
01:43:35,270 --> 01:43:33,600
object and they had they talked if you

2667
01:43:37,510 --> 01:43:35,280
saw that leaked photograph that

2668
01:43:38,550 --> 01:43:37,520
supposedly put off had with the uh sort

2669
01:43:40,070 --> 01:43:38,560
of the brain

2670
01:43:41,990 --> 01:43:40,080
uh

2671
01:43:44,149 --> 01:43:42,000
thing and and kit green is talking about

2672
01:43:45,910 --> 01:43:44,159
people live for five weeks or whatever

2673
01:43:47,669 --> 01:43:45,920
and it's this idea that if you're in

2674
01:43:49,669 --> 01:43:47,679
close to a ufo

2675
01:43:52,310 --> 01:43:49,679
it can be deadly to your health which i

2676
01:43:54,470 --> 01:43:52,320
point out i was within 500 yards five

2677
01:43:55,990 --> 01:43:54,480
times and i was completely all right so

2678
01:43:58,550 --> 01:43:56,000
burroughs brings out the fact that he

2679
01:44:00,870 --> 01:43:58,560
was injured at um

2680
01:44:02,709 --> 01:44:00,880
at uh reynoldshum forest but there's the

2681
01:44:04,310 --> 01:44:02,719
story that i asked and nobody really can

2682
01:44:06,790 --> 01:44:04,320
confirm it and that was the fact that

2683
01:44:08,950 --> 01:44:06,800
when that thing flared up when when they

2684
01:44:11,350 --> 01:44:08,960
got in close burroughs pulled his gun

2685
01:44:13,590 --> 01:44:11,360
because because kobanzak was there and

2686
01:44:15,910 --> 01:44:13,600
and burroughs was uh or penisten was

2687
01:44:18,550 --> 01:44:15,920
even closer to the ufo so why would and

2688
01:44:20,470 --> 01:44:18,560
peniston touched the ufo so if it's if

2689
01:44:22,390 --> 01:44:20,480
it's across the board

2690
01:44:23,830 --> 01:44:22,400
what i would say that that if you're

2691
01:44:25,590 --> 01:44:23,840
carrying a gun like the the guys at

2692
01:44:27,350 --> 01:44:25,600
skinwalker ranch when they got this

2693
01:44:29,750 --> 01:44:27,360
message leave you are not welcome these

2694
01:44:32,470 --> 01:44:29,760
special forces guys that were armed and

2695
01:44:34,070 --> 01:44:32,480
that's what bigelow said those are

2696
01:44:35,430 --> 01:44:34,080
george knapp said those that were had

2697
01:44:37,830 --> 01:44:35,440
the worst effects

2698
01:44:39,750 --> 01:44:37,840
no those that tr those that were the

2699
01:44:41,590 --> 01:44:39,760
most aggressive to the phenomena had the

2700
01:44:43,270 --> 01:44:41,600
worst effects at skinwalker ranch and

2701
01:44:45,030 --> 01:44:43,280
it's this idea that you're that you help

2702
01:44:46,709 --> 01:44:45,040
manifest what's happening so if you go

2703
01:44:48,310 --> 01:44:46,719
in there all guns blazing i'm going to

2704
01:44:49,990 --> 01:44:48,320
take this thing on you can be injured

2705
01:44:51,669 --> 01:44:50,000
because i was close five times the one

2706
01:44:53,669 --> 01:44:51,679
time i tell you jimmy i was so close i

2707
01:44:55,590 --> 01:44:53,679
was gonna jump on the thing i was that

2708
01:44:57,350 --> 01:44:55,600
close i figured i could run and i could

2709
01:44:59,750 --> 01:44:57,360
touch this thing before it took off i

2710
01:45:01,990 --> 01:44:59,760
was that close i had no injuries and yet

2711
01:45:04,470 --> 01:45:02,000
you take this thing where

2712
01:45:07,590 --> 01:45:04,480
peniston said he was offered a

2713
01:45:09,030 --> 01:45:07,600
full disability from kit green and it's

2714
01:45:11,109 --> 01:45:09,040
in his book he was offered full

2715
01:45:13,030 --> 01:45:11,119
disability and

2716
01:45:14,310 --> 01:45:13,040
in exchange for the blood and the dna

2717
01:45:16,310 --> 01:45:14,320
because they're checking these these

2718
01:45:18,310 --> 01:45:16,320
military people to see injuries and that

2719
01:45:20,229 --> 01:45:18,320
kind of stuff and he said i wasn't

2720
01:45:21,669 --> 01:45:20,239
injured i don't need your money he just

2721
01:45:23,669 --> 01:45:21,679
basically turned it down he said no i'm

2722
01:45:25,430 --> 01:45:23,679
not giving it to you i never got injured

2723
01:45:28,310 --> 01:45:25,440
and i'm so that's the whole thing why

2724
01:45:30,790 --> 01:45:28,320
was why was john burroughs injured and

2725
01:45:32,550 --> 01:45:30,800
kabanzak and peniston weren't injured

2726
01:45:34,550 --> 01:45:32,560
and the only thing was the story i heard

2727
01:45:36,149 --> 01:45:34,560
was that john pulled his gun john said

2728
01:45:37,990 --> 01:45:36,159
we didn't take the guns out he doesn't

2729
01:45:40,709 --> 01:45:38,000
think that happened but there's that

2730
01:45:42,149 --> 01:45:40,719
that aspect of why do some people get

2731
01:45:44,390 --> 01:45:42,159
injured and some people don't because a

2732
01:45:46,229 --> 01:45:44,400
lot of people are very close to crafts

2733
01:45:47,910 --> 01:45:46,239
and don't get injured but there's a

2734
01:45:50,070 --> 01:45:47,920
study that was done i think kit green

2735
01:45:52,390 --> 01:45:50,080
had 110 people and that's when they're

2736
01:45:54,229 --> 01:45:52,400
looking at the the putamen the caudate

2737
01:45:55,510 --> 01:45:54,239
putamen and the psychic thing in the

2738
01:45:56,950 --> 01:45:55,520
brain and that sort of thing they're

2739
01:45:58,310 --> 01:45:56,960
looking at these injuries and that was

2740
01:46:00,310 --> 01:45:58,320
the study that i mentioned last time i

2741
01:46:02,470 --> 01:46:00,320
was on your show that was financed that

2742
01:46:04,629 --> 01:46:02,480
bigelow was contractor to that as well

2743
01:46:05,910 --> 01:46:04,639
when when peniston said to him so what

2744
01:46:07,430 --> 01:46:05,920
are you doing why are you looking at

2745
01:46:09,590 --> 01:46:07,440
experiences why you why do you want my

2746
01:46:10,629 --> 01:46:09,600
dna well i'm going to find out what's

2747
01:46:11,830 --> 01:46:10,639
going on you're not getting out of here

2748
01:46:13,750 --> 01:46:11,840
you're going to tell me what's going on

2749
01:46:15,109 --> 01:46:13,760
and he said oh we're doing this study

2750
01:46:17,270 --> 01:46:15,119
and he said are you working for the

2751
01:46:19,189 --> 01:46:17,280
defense department and he said well yeah

2752
01:46:21,109 --> 01:46:19,199
he said there's eight people and are you

2753
01:46:22,550 --> 01:46:21,119
working for bigelow yeah bigelow so

2754
01:46:24,390 --> 01:46:22,560
bigelow is running it and what they were

2755
01:46:26,790 --> 01:46:24,400
looking at was experiencers and that's

2756
01:46:29,590 --> 01:46:26,800
this whole thing about the dna and the

2757
01:46:30,950 --> 01:46:29,600
the the fmri that's what he wanted and a

2758
01:46:33,510 --> 01:46:30,960
lot of people apparently whitney

2759
01:46:34,629 --> 01:46:33,520
streeberg gave it chris bledsoe i heard

2760
01:46:37,030 --> 01:46:34,639
these rumors stories that they were

2761
01:46:38,709 --> 01:46:37,040
going after all these people to see does

2762
01:46:40,070 --> 01:46:38,719
the dna change and that's when they're

2763
01:46:41,030 --> 01:46:40,080
looking at that was a study that was

2764
01:46:43,350 --> 01:46:41,040
done

2765
01:46:45,590 --> 01:46:43,360
that that was mentioned in peniston's

2766
01:46:47,430 --> 01:46:45,600
book so where did that study go

2767
01:46:49,669 --> 01:46:47,440
what was the results of that study and

2768
01:46:50,870 --> 01:46:49,679
this was looking at the effects uh

2769
01:46:52,390 --> 01:46:50,880
because you can use it for your own

2770
01:46:54,229 --> 01:46:52,400
thing if you can if you can find out

2771
01:46:55,750 --> 01:46:54,239
what the effect is on our troops then

2772
01:46:57,669 --> 01:46:55,760
you can use it against the russians or

2773
01:46:59,750 --> 01:46:57,679
the chinese it's it's it becomes a

2774
01:47:01,590 --> 01:46:59,760
weapon and that's that slide nine the

2775
01:47:03,030 --> 01:47:01,600
the famous slide nine if you look at all

2776
01:47:04,709 --> 01:47:03,040
the stuff on slide nine that's all

2777
01:47:06,149 --> 01:47:04,719
skinwalker ranch that was from

2778
01:47:07,830 --> 01:47:06,159
skinwalker ranch how do you put bulls

2779
01:47:09,510 --> 01:47:07,840
inside the trailers how do you rip off

2780
01:47:11,910 --> 01:47:09,520
the cords from the the camera that's

2781
01:47:14,470 --> 01:47:11,920
watching the other camera how do you uh

2782
01:47:15,990 --> 01:47:14,480
get into people's heads when the the the

2783
01:47:17,910 --> 01:47:16,000
guys with they were told to leave the

2784
01:47:19,510 --> 01:47:17,920
ranch that this thing was put into their

2785
01:47:21,270 --> 01:47:19,520
head and then when they went home and

2786
01:47:23,030 --> 01:47:21,280
these wine bottles are flying around the

2787
01:47:24,070 --> 01:47:23,040
room and smashing on the walls that's

2788
01:47:25,750 --> 01:47:24,080
the kind of stuff they're looking at

2789
01:47:27,669 --> 01:47:25,760
because that's the dia you want to

2790
01:47:30,149 --> 01:47:27,679
figure out not so much how does ufos

2791
01:47:32,149 --> 01:47:30,159
work how does reality work how do they

2792
01:47:34,229 --> 01:47:32,159
put bulls inside trailers if you can

2793
01:47:36,149 --> 01:47:34,239
figure that out you understand reality

2794
01:47:37,669 --> 01:47:36,159
and you can use this as all military

2795
01:47:38,870 --> 01:47:37,679
technology you can develop this kind of

2796
01:47:40,629 --> 01:47:38,880
stuff so i think that's what they're

2797
01:47:43,030 --> 01:47:40,639
looking at there's a study that was done

2798
01:47:45,109 --> 01:47:43,040
on injuries to people that were close to

2799
01:47:46,709 --> 01:47:45,119
ufos but i would maintain they all have

2800
01:47:48,709 --> 01:47:46,719
to be military people because they

2801
01:47:50,310 --> 01:47:48,719
couldn't get the records of

2802
01:47:52,709 --> 01:47:50,320
civilians they would have had kit green

2803
01:47:54,870 --> 01:47:52,719
would have access to the military

2804
01:47:57,270 --> 01:47:54,880
medical records of people and i think at

2805
01:47:59,109 --> 01:47:57,280
one point he had 110 people or something

2806
01:48:01,189 --> 01:47:59,119
like that that he'd looked at and that's

2807
01:48:02,870 --> 01:48:01,199
when when peniston said to him how many

2808
01:48:05,910 --> 01:48:02,880
are still alive and he said just you and

2809
01:48:08,070 --> 01:48:05,920
burroughs now if we look at subparagraph

2810
01:48:10,070 --> 01:48:08,080
a which kind of goes

2811
01:48:11,189 --> 01:48:10,080
uh touches upon what you're referring to

2812
01:48:14,070 --> 01:48:11,199
here

2813
01:48:17,030 --> 01:48:14,080
subparagraph a says and get ready for

2814
01:48:22,310 --> 01:48:17,040
this grant chew on this

2815
01:48:24,950 --> 01:48:22,320
yeah an update on any efforts underway

2816
01:48:29,590 --> 01:48:24,960
okay let me repeat that

2817
01:48:33,830 --> 01:48:29,600
an update on any efforts underway

2818
01:48:35,310 --> 01:48:33,840
on the ability to capture or exploit

2819
01:48:38,709 --> 01:48:35,320
discovered

2820
01:48:40,149 --> 01:48:38,719
unidentified aerial phenomena

2821
01:48:43,189 --> 01:48:40,159
now

2822
01:48:46,950 --> 01:48:44,550
they're clearly saying that these

2823
01:48:49,350 --> 01:48:46,960
efforts are underway right now right and

2824
01:48:51,270 --> 01:48:49,360
and we need to know what's going on and

2825
01:48:54,470 --> 01:48:51,280
the word exploit

2826
01:48:55,990 --> 01:48:54,480
exploit discovered unidentified aerial

2827
01:48:58,709 --> 01:48:56,000
phenomena

2828
01:49:00,870 --> 01:48:58,719
this is in the budget grant

2829
01:49:02,070 --> 01:49:00,880
yeah but this is technology this is how

2830
01:49:04,070 --> 01:49:02,080
it worked that's what i said in world

2831
01:49:05,430 --> 01:49:04,080
war ii that's where they learned that in

2832
01:49:07,109 --> 01:49:05,440
world war ii if you put all the

2833
01:49:08,550 --> 01:49:07,119
scientists and get them to all work

2834
01:49:09,669 --> 01:49:08,560
together and get their heads together

2835
01:49:11,350 --> 01:49:09,679
you come up with all these massive

2836
01:49:12,709 --> 01:49:11,360
inventions so at the end of the war they

2837
01:49:13,910 --> 01:49:12,719
didn't shut it down it was called the

2838
01:49:15,669 --> 01:49:13,920
joint research and development board

2839
01:49:17,270 --> 01:49:15,679
they kept it going and they would still

2840
01:49:20,149 --> 01:49:17,280
bring in these people these high high

2841
01:49:23,030 --> 01:49:20,159
level guys because besides because the a

2842
01:49:26,229 --> 01:49:23,040
lot of uh guys like the jason group was

2843
01:49:27,589 --> 01:49:26,239
a group of high level physicists that

2844
01:49:29,350 --> 01:49:27,599
they would pull during the summer

2845
01:49:30,550 --> 01:49:29,360
because they don't teach for five months

2846
01:49:31,750 --> 01:49:30,560
so during the summer they're giving

2847
01:49:33,109 --> 01:49:31,760
these little courses and they give them

2848
01:49:35,350 --> 01:49:33,119
nuclear weapon problems and stuff like

2849
01:49:37,270 --> 01:49:35,360
that so they're just trying to access

2850
01:49:38,790 --> 01:49:37,280
all this material and it's all to

2851
01:49:40,310 --> 01:49:38,800
exploit this thing from military

2852
01:49:42,229 --> 01:49:40,320
technology so it's not it's not a

2853
01:49:44,390 --> 01:49:42,239
civilian thing it's not too and and the

2854
01:49:46,229 --> 01:49:44,400
way it works is the i think what their

2855
01:49:48,070 --> 01:49:46,239
idea is you use it first for military

2856
01:49:49,350 --> 01:49:48,080
technology and then when you develop

2857
01:49:51,910 --> 01:49:49,360
radar then we'll move it into the

2858
01:49:54,709 --> 01:49:51,920
civilian area but military gets it first

2859
01:49:56,629 --> 01:49:54,719
right right right right and uh

2860
01:49:58,070 --> 01:49:56,639
paragraphs e f

2861
01:50:02,870 --> 01:49:58,080
g

2862
01:50:05,430 --> 01:50:02,880
uh and h all speak about that e says

2863
01:50:07,830 --> 01:50:05,440
identification of potential aerospace or

2864
01:50:09,510 --> 01:50:07,840
other threats posed by unidentified

2865
01:50:11,990 --> 01:50:09,520
aerial phenomena to the national

2866
01:50:13,350 --> 01:50:12,000
security of the united states

2867
01:50:15,910 --> 01:50:13,360
right f

2868
01:50:18,629 --> 01:50:15,920
an assessment of any activity regarding

2869
01:50:22,550 --> 01:50:18,639
unidentified aerial phenomena that can

2870
01:50:24,470 --> 01:50:22,560
be attributed to one or more adversarial

2871
01:50:25,830 --> 01:50:24,480
foreign governments

2872
01:50:26,629 --> 01:50:25,840
that's plural

2873
01:50:29,189 --> 01:50:26,639
g

2874
01:50:31,510 --> 01:50:29,199
identification of any incidents or

2875
01:50:33,910 --> 01:50:31,520
patterns regarding unidentified aerial

2876
01:50:36,830 --> 01:50:33,920
phenomena that indicate a potential

2877
01:50:41,030 --> 01:50:36,840
adversarial foreign government may have

2878
01:50:42,790 --> 01:50:41,040
achieved a breakthrough in aerospace

2879
01:50:45,350 --> 01:50:42,800
technology

2880
01:50:47,910 --> 01:50:45,360
and uh and then they follow that up with

2881
01:50:49,669 --> 01:50:47,920
h it all flows together an update on the

2882
01:50:52,550 --> 01:50:49,679
coordination by the united states with

2883
01:50:55,149 --> 01:50:52,560
allies and partners on efforts to track

2884
01:50:58,709 --> 01:50:55,159
understand and address

2885
01:51:01,430 --> 01:50:58,719
unidentified aerial phenomena

2886
01:51:03,109 --> 01:51:01,440
incredible incredible yeah so they're

2887
01:51:03,830 --> 01:51:03,119
just pulling all the agencies together

2888
01:51:05,589 --> 01:51:03,840
because

2889
01:51:07,830 --> 01:51:05,599
you heard that tom delong i think he

2890
01:51:09,750 --> 01:51:07,840
mentioned that 2016 interview about the

2891
01:51:12,229 --> 01:51:09,760
stove piping and hail put up has

2892
01:51:14,149 --> 01:51:12,239
mentioned that that you or jacques valet

2893
01:51:15,910 --> 01:51:14,159
mentions that you give a one piece to

2894
01:51:17,270 --> 01:51:15,920
this company one piece to this company

2895
01:51:19,510 --> 01:51:17,280
but nobody's talking to each other so

2896
01:51:20,870 --> 01:51:19,520
it's all stove pipe and nobody's in the

2897
01:51:22,870 --> 01:51:20,880
black world and i think that's what they

2898
01:51:25,189 --> 01:51:22,880
tried to do is move this into the white

2899
01:51:26,870 --> 01:51:25,199
world where you can get this cooperation

2900
01:51:28,470 --> 01:51:26,880
of people talking to each other rather

2901
01:51:31,030 --> 01:51:28,480
than everybody trying to hide the the

2902
01:51:33,350 --> 01:51:31,040
evidence uh for themselves find out what

2903
01:51:35,669 --> 01:51:33,360
the your adversaries are doing and the

2904
01:51:36,790 --> 01:51:35,679
potential threat that they may have if

2905
01:51:38,709 --> 01:51:36,800
they've got because we know the russians

2906
01:51:40,470 --> 01:51:38,719
are working on chinese everybody knows

2907
01:51:42,470 --> 01:51:40,480
nobody's stupid they know what the

2908
01:51:44,310 --> 01:51:42,480
potential is if you can put four bulls

2909
01:51:45,669 --> 01:51:44,320
inside a locked trailer i mean

2910
01:51:46,709 --> 01:51:45,679
everybody's looking at that the russians

2911
01:51:48,149 --> 01:51:46,719
and the chinese and they're all trying

2912
01:51:49,910 --> 01:51:48,159
to figure out how does this work and if

2913
01:51:52,149 --> 01:51:49,920
you can figure out how it works that's

2914
01:51:52,950 --> 01:51:52,159
technology that you can use

2915
01:51:57,030 --> 01:51:52,960
so

2916
01:51:59,990 --> 01:51:57,040
uh lou came on the show um on thursday

2917
01:52:03,189 --> 01:52:00,000
or no on wednesday uh before kevin day

2918
01:52:06,229 --> 01:52:03,199
i'm sure that you listened to uh what

2919
01:52:08,550 --> 01:52:06,239
monday monday it was this week man it's

2920
01:52:10,629 --> 01:52:08,560
all blurred together but but we got to

2921
01:52:13,350 --> 01:52:10,639
show fifteen hundred grand that's all i

2922
01:52:16,070 --> 01:52:13,360
think that's that's all that matters is

2923
01:52:17,109 --> 01:52:16,080
uh yeah that's right that was on monday

2924
01:52:21,030 --> 01:52:17,119
okay

2925
01:52:22,550 --> 01:52:21,040
is this about the task force the uapdf

2926
01:52:24,790 --> 01:52:22,560
as we know it now

2927
01:52:26,709 --> 01:52:24,800
is going to be dissolved and a new

2928
01:52:31,830 --> 01:52:26,719
permanent uh

2929
01:52:34,229 --> 01:52:31,840
uap ua ufo investigative body a clearing

2930
01:52:36,310 --> 01:52:34,239
house a central place for all of this

2931
01:52:37,589 --> 01:52:36,320
would be permanently established and

2932
01:52:40,229 --> 01:52:37,599
here is

2933
01:52:41,430 --> 01:52:40,239
the wording of that so everybody can

2934
01:52:44,310 --> 01:52:41,440
understand

2935
01:52:46,709 --> 01:52:44,320
uh not only what lou mentioned but what

2936
01:52:48,390 --> 01:52:46,719
we are talking about

2937
01:52:51,350 --> 01:52:48,400
task force

2938
01:52:54,149 --> 01:52:51,360
not later than the date on which the

2939
01:52:55,750 --> 01:52:54,159
secretary establishes the office under

2940
01:52:58,470 --> 01:52:55,760
subsection a

2941
01:53:01,430 --> 01:52:58,480
the secretary shall terminate

2942
01:53:04,870 --> 01:53:01,440
the unidentified aerial phenomenon task

2943
01:53:06,149 --> 01:53:04,880
force under these definitions one

2944
01:53:08,950 --> 01:53:06,159
the term

2945
01:53:11,750 --> 01:53:08,960
appropriate congressional committees

2946
01:53:13,589 --> 01:53:11,760
means the following the committee on

2947
01:53:16,149 --> 01:53:13,599
armed forces the committee on foreign

2948
01:53:17,910 --> 01:53:16,159
affairs and the and the permanent select

2949
01:53:20,070 --> 01:53:17,920
committee on intelligence of the house

2950
01:53:22,550 --> 01:53:20,080
of representatives the committee on

2951
01:53:24,070 --> 01:53:22,560
armed forces armed services

2952
01:53:26,390 --> 01:53:24,080
the committee on foreign relations in

2953
01:53:27,669 --> 01:53:26,400
the select committee of on intelligence

2954
01:53:30,550 --> 01:53:27,679
in the senate

2955
01:53:32,629 --> 01:53:30,560
the term unidentified area phenomena

2956
01:53:35,750 --> 01:53:32,639
means airborne objects witnessed by

2957
01:53:38,310 --> 01:53:35,760
pilot or air crew member that are not

2958
01:53:42,750 --> 01:53:38,320
immediately identifiable

2959
01:53:44,470 --> 01:53:42,760
requirement not later than december 31st

2960
01:53:47,510 --> 01:53:44,480
2022

2961
01:53:50,070 --> 01:53:47,520
and annually thereafter until december

2962
01:53:53,350 --> 01:53:50,080
31st 2026

2963
01:53:55,990 --> 01:53:53,360
the secretary of defense shall submit to

2964
01:53:59,109 --> 01:53:56,000
the appropriate congressional committees

2965
01:54:02,550 --> 01:53:59,119
a report on unidentified aerial

2966
01:54:04,950 --> 01:54:02,560
phenomena two elements each report under

2967
01:54:06,870 --> 01:54:04,960
paragraph one shall include with respect

2968
01:54:08,790 --> 01:54:06,880
to the year covered by the report the

2969
01:54:10,070 --> 01:54:08,800
following information

2970
01:54:14,950 --> 01:54:10,080
a

2971
01:54:16,790 --> 01:54:14,960
received through reports of unidentified

2972
01:54:19,030 --> 01:54:16,800
aerial phenomena b

2973
01:54:21,510 --> 01:54:19,040
an analysis of data relating to

2974
01:54:22,870 --> 01:54:21,520
unidentified aerial phenomena collected

2975
01:54:26,229 --> 01:54:22,880
through

2976
01:54:27,510 --> 01:54:26,239
one geospatial intelligence two signals

2977
01:54:36,229 --> 01:54:27,520
intelligence

2978
01:54:38,310 --> 01:54:36,239
c the number of reported incidents of

2979
01:54:40,070 --> 01:54:38,320
unidentified area phenomena over

2980
01:54:41,510 --> 01:54:40,080
restricted air space in the united

2981
01:54:44,550 --> 01:54:41,520
states d

2982
01:54:47,350 --> 01:54:44,560
an analysis of such incidents identified

2983
01:54:49,189 --> 01:54:47,360
under sub-paragraph c

2984
01:54:51,669 --> 01:54:49,199
the mission currently performed by the

2985
01:54:54,149 --> 01:54:51,679
unidentified aerial phenomena task force

2986
01:54:56,870 --> 01:54:54,159
as of the date of the enactment in this

2987
01:54:59,430 --> 01:54:56,880
act the duties of the office established

2988
01:55:00,629 --> 01:54:59,440
under the subsection shall include the

2989
01:55:01,669 --> 01:55:00,639
following

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01:55:03,830 --> 01:55:01,679
one

2991
01:55:05,830 --> 01:55:03,840
developing procedures to synchronize and

2992
01:55:07,750 --> 01:55:05,840
standardize the collection reporting and

2993
01:55:10,149 --> 01:55:07,760
analysis of incidents regarding

2994
01:55:12,229 --> 01:55:10,159
unidentified aerial phenomena across the

2995
01:55:15,189 --> 01:55:12,239
department of defense

2996
01:55:17,669 --> 01:55:15,199
two developing processes and procedures

2997
01:55:20,470 --> 01:55:17,679
to ensure that such incidents from each

2998
01:55:25,510 --> 01:55:20,480
military department are reported and

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01:55:26,950 --> 01:55:25,520
incorporated in a centralized repository

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01:55:29,109 --> 01:55:26,960
three

3001
01:55:31,669 --> 01:55:29,119
establishing procedures to require the

3002
01:55:34,149 --> 01:55:31,679
timely and consistent reporting of such

3003
01:55:37,350 --> 01:55:34,159
events

3004
01:55:39,830 --> 01:55:37,360
such incidents four evaluating links

3005
01:55:42,149 --> 01:55:39,840
between unidentified area phenomena and

3006
01:55:45,270 --> 01:55:42,159
adversarial foreign governments other

3007
01:55:48,790 --> 01:55:45,280
foreign governments and non-state actors

3008
01:55:51,189 --> 01:55:48,800
um uh establishing these incidents

3009
01:55:53,109 --> 01:55:51,199
present in the united states

3010
01:55:56,470 --> 01:55:53,119
coordinating with all departments of the

3011
01:55:58,390 --> 01:55:56,480
federal government as appropriate and

3012
01:56:00,470 --> 01:55:58,400
then again following up they mentioned

3013
01:56:01,990 --> 01:56:00,480
this now four times in in this

3014
01:56:05,350 --> 01:56:02,000
coordinating with our allies and

3015
01:56:08,470 --> 01:56:05,360
partners of the united states uh to

3016
01:56:12,390 --> 01:56:08,480
what the extent and nature

3017
01:56:13,589 --> 01:56:12,400
of unidentified aerial phenomena

3018
01:56:16,870 --> 01:56:13,599
and uh

3019
01:56:19,030 --> 01:56:16,880
and there goes now it says here

3020
01:56:19,990 --> 01:56:19,040
that the establishment

3021
01:56:22,390 --> 01:56:20,000
uh

3022
01:56:24,950 --> 01:56:22,400
establishment of office to address

3023
01:56:26,830 --> 01:56:24,960
unidentified area phenomena

3024
01:56:30,470 --> 01:56:26,840
shall not be later than

3025
01:56:33,510 --> 01:56:30,480
180 days after the date of the enactment

3026
01:56:34,790 --> 01:56:33,520
of this act the secretary of defense and

3027
01:56:36,629 --> 01:56:34,800
coordination with the director of

3028
01:56:39,270 --> 01:56:36,639
national intelligence

3029
01:56:42,149 --> 01:56:39,280
shall establish an office within the

3030
01:56:46,709 --> 01:56:42,159
office of the secretary of defense to

3031
01:56:47,990 --> 01:56:46,719
carry out a departmental wide basis so

3032
01:56:50,629 --> 01:56:48,000
there it is

3033
01:56:52,950 --> 01:56:50,639
and i don't think a question for you yes

3034
01:56:54,790 --> 01:56:52,960
okay uh the canadian i we just did a

3035
01:56:56,629 --> 01:56:54,800
final edit today on a book on the

3036
01:56:59,109 --> 01:56:56,639
canadian government situation in the

3037
01:57:01,910 --> 01:56:59,119
1950s wilbur smith wrote a top secret

3038
01:57:03,750 --> 01:57:01,920
memo in november of 1950s said he was

3039
01:57:05,830 --> 01:57:03,760
told by american officials flying

3040
01:57:08,070 --> 01:57:05,840
saucers exist it's the most highly

3041
01:57:10,070 --> 01:57:08,080
classified subject in the united states

3042
01:57:12,149 --> 01:57:10,080
so my question would be the first report

3043
01:57:15,270 --> 01:57:12,159
that came out was 400 pages there was

3044
01:57:17,589 --> 01:57:15,280
six pages with anything on them uh that

3045
01:57:19,510 --> 01:57:17,599
was unclassified how much of this is

3046
01:57:21,830 --> 01:57:19,520
going to be that was 1.5 percent of the

3047
01:57:23,669 --> 01:57:21,840
report was unclassified how much of this

3048
01:57:25,350 --> 01:57:23,679
is going to be classified and how much

3049
01:57:26,550 --> 01:57:25,360
is the public going to learn about yeah

3050
01:57:29,830 --> 01:57:26,560
exactly

3051
01:57:33,669 --> 01:57:29,840
all have

3052
01:57:37,030 --> 01:57:33,679
um now i was told directly um

3053
01:57:40,709 --> 01:57:37,040
i can't say from who but it was

3054
01:57:43,910 --> 01:57:40,719
not from somebody that we know of the

3055
01:57:45,589 --> 01:57:43,920
ufo community okay so i i'll say that

3056
01:57:47,830 --> 01:57:45,599
but i can't say who

3057
01:57:49,350 --> 01:57:47,840
but i was told uh

3058
01:57:51,030 --> 01:57:49,360
in writing

3059
01:57:54,149 --> 01:57:51,040
um

3060
01:57:55,350 --> 01:57:54,159
it was uh 88 pages the classified

3061
01:57:56,229 --> 01:57:55,360
version

3062
01:57:57,030 --> 01:57:56,239
and

3063
01:57:58,310 --> 01:57:57,040
uh

3064
01:58:01,589 --> 01:57:58,320
the first one you're saying the first

3065
01:58:04,709 --> 01:58:01,599
the the june 25th report 88 pages not

3066
01:58:07,189 --> 01:58:04,719
400. and i know that uh daniel sheehan

3067
01:58:08,310 --> 01:58:07,199
uh you know stated 400 pages

3068
01:58:10,950 --> 01:58:08,320
um

3069
01:58:12,950 --> 01:58:10,960
and i understand why he said that and he

3070
01:58:13,990 --> 01:58:12,960
represents lou and so you would think

3071
01:58:16,550 --> 01:58:14,000
that

3072
01:58:18,470 --> 01:58:16,560
daniel but i don't think daniel was told

3073
01:58:21,430 --> 01:58:18,480
that i think that he

3074
01:58:22,470 --> 01:58:21,440
did a general assessment looking at 144

3075
01:58:24,870 --> 01:58:22,480
cases

3076
01:58:27,270 --> 01:58:24,880
that that classified version of the

3077
01:58:29,750 --> 01:58:27,280
report must have been around 400 pages

3078
01:58:32,070 --> 01:58:29,760
but uh i was told directly uh a

3079
01:58:34,070 --> 01:58:32,080
completely different number that that's

3080
01:58:36,229 --> 01:58:34,080
that's the part that that sort of makes

3081
01:58:38,149 --> 01:58:36,239
me wonder is if we can't even find out

3082
01:58:39,669 --> 01:58:38,159
how many pages there are how much we're

3083
01:58:41,030 --> 01:58:39,679
going to learn what's in it if we can't

3084
01:58:43,109 --> 01:58:41,040
even figure out how many pages are in

3085
01:58:45,750 --> 01:58:43,119
the report i mean that even if that's

3086
01:58:48,390 --> 01:58:45,760
under the classification or unknown or

3087
01:58:50,390 --> 01:58:48,400
whatever it's just sort of uh how much

3088
01:58:52,550 --> 01:58:50,400
of this is going to spin out does it say

3089
01:58:53,669 --> 01:58:52,560
in the does it say in these five pages

3090
01:58:55,510 --> 01:58:53,679
it doesn't mention classified

3091
01:58:57,430 --> 01:58:55,520
unclassified no it doesn't i would think

3092
01:58:58,790 --> 01:58:57,440
that this is going to be still

3093
01:59:00,709 --> 01:58:58,800
black ops

3094
01:59:03,910 --> 01:59:00,719
need to know code word all that kind of

3095
01:59:05,270 --> 01:59:03,920
stuff yeah but the only mentions

3096
01:59:07,589 --> 01:59:05,280
in here

3097
01:59:10,310 --> 01:59:07,599
is that the report would come in

3098
01:59:11,350 --> 01:59:10,320
annually on december 31st at the end of

3099
01:59:14,390 --> 01:59:11,360
each year

3100
01:59:16,550 --> 01:59:14,400
um it does say that and the only other

3101
01:59:17,589 --> 01:59:16,560
clear dating on this is what i just read

3102
01:59:20,470 --> 01:59:17,599
to you

3103
01:59:22,070 --> 01:59:20,480
now this is passed okay so the budget is

3104
01:59:26,550 --> 01:59:22,080
in

3105
01:59:29,830 --> 01:59:26,560
um so it's 180 days uh today is

3106
01:59:32,470 --> 01:59:29,840
what is what's what are we we're on

3107
01:59:34,870 --> 01:59:32,480
the sixth today is wednesday i think

3108
01:59:36,229 --> 01:59:34,880
this got passed on

3109
01:59:38,629 --> 01:59:36,239
monday

3110
01:59:41,350 --> 01:59:38,639
um okay i'll i'll i'll check into that

3111
01:59:42,629 --> 01:59:41,360
so it would be 180 days you know from

3112
01:59:46,709 --> 01:59:42,639
this week

3113
01:59:48,310 --> 01:59:46,719
uh that the new uh group which has not

3114
01:59:50,229 --> 01:59:48,320
been named

3115
01:59:52,229 --> 01:59:50,239
right and i just find that interesting

3116
01:59:55,270 --> 01:59:52,239
because it says here establishment and

3117
01:59:59,030 --> 01:59:55,280
this is a this is line number 21.

3118
02:00:01,350 --> 01:59:59,040
um not later than not later than 180

3119
02:00:03,189 --> 02:00:01,360
days after the date of the enactment of

3120
02:00:04,149 --> 02:00:03,199
this act

3121
02:00:06,470 --> 02:00:04,159
okay

3122
02:00:08,629 --> 02:00:06,480
so i believe that this has been signed

3123
02:00:11,430 --> 02:00:08,639
off that the budget has gone through

3124
02:00:13,270 --> 02:00:11,440
i will clarify that and i i have the

3125
02:00:14,870 --> 02:00:13,280
ability to do that

3126
02:00:16,310 --> 02:00:14,880
um and i'll get back to everybody

3127
02:00:18,550 --> 02:00:16,320
tomorrow night but if that's the case

3128
02:00:21,910 --> 02:00:18,560
six months from today

3129
02:00:24,470 --> 02:00:21,920
uh we should uh it at least uh it could

3130
02:00:26,470 --> 02:00:24,480
be it says not later then so it could be

3131
02:00:28,390 --> 02:00:26,480
before that we're going to have a name

3132
02:00:30,390 --> 02:00:28,400
of this new group and i don't think it's

3133
02:00:31,830 --> 02:00:30,400
going to be called the uap task force

3134
02:00:33,750 --> 02:00:31,840
anymore it's going to be under another

3135
02:00:36,070 --> 02:00:33,760
name and we're going to have to go and

3136
02:00:37,910 --> 02:00:36,080
chase that down and figure it out

3137
02:00:41,510 --> 02:00:37,920
yeah yeah and then you have the date of

3138
02:00:43,270 --> 02:00:41,520
december 2022. wasn't it yep yep and and

3139
02:00:45,669 --> 02:00:43,280
what is that what is that where he's got

3140
02:00:47,270 --> 02:00:45,679
a report yeah okay i'll pull that up

3141
02:00:48,870 --> 02:00:47,280
i've got to take a break i'll pull that

3142
02:00:50,550 --> 02:00:48,880
up and we'll discuss that when we come

3143
02:00:51,990 --> 02:00:50,560
back and also when we come back after

3144
02:00:54,629 --> 02:00:52,000
this short break

3145
02:00:55,510 --> 02:00:54,639
uh grant is going to be hanging out with

3146
02:00:57,350 --> 02:00:55,520
me

3147
02:01:00,070 --> 02:00:57,360
and a bunch of other really cool people

3148
02:01:02,229 --> 02:01:00,080
in laughlin nevada november 12th through

3149
02:01:03,589 --> 02:01:02,239
the 14th i want to know

3150
02:01:05,510 --> 02:01:03,599
i want to know what grant's going to be

3151
02:01:07,510 --> 02:01:05,520
talking about i get to hang out break

3152
02:01:08,790 --> 02:01:07,520
bread with grant cameron we'll discuss

3153
02:01:18,629 --> 02:01:08,800
all of that when we come back after this

3154
02:01:24,470 --> 02:01:21,109
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welcome back fade to black i am your

3245
02:05:56,550 --> 02:05:53,679
host jimmy church tonight grant cameron

3246
02:05:58,470 --> 02:05:56,560
our 1500th show

3247
02:06:00,629 --> 02:05:58,480
and uh

3248
02:06:03,669 --> 02:06:00,639
and let me just say this i love canada

3249
02:06:08,390 --> 02:06:03,679
i've spent way too much time up there

3250
02:06:10,310 --> 02:06:08,400
and uh uh the chat room uh grant is is

3251
02:06:11,510 --> 02:06:10,320
is all about regina

3252
02:06:13,430 --> 02:06:11,520
and

3253
02:06:14,310 --> 02:06:13,440
see this is the thing

3254
02:06:17,750 --> 02:06:14,320
um

3255
02:06:20,310 --> 02:06:17,760
regina knows what the name of their

3256
02:06:25,109 --> 02:06:20,320
town is city i should say

3257
02:06:26,149 --> 02:06:25,119
and uh and it's a great place but i i uh

3258
02:06:28,470 --> 02:06:26,159
when i

3259
02:06:29,669 --> 02:06:28,480
you try to crack the regina joke in

3260
02:06:33,270 --> 02:06:29,679
regina

3261
02:06:35,430 --> 02:06:33,280
and i remember uh uh

3262
02:06:38,790 --> 02:06:35,440
well anyway it doesn't matter who it was

3263
02:06:39,589 --> 02:06:38,800
um but i said

3264
02:06:42,390 --> 02:06:39,599
go

3265
02:06:44,870 --> 02:06:42,400
regina rhymes with

3266
02:06:47,910 --> 02:06:44,880
and i smiled and he goes man you think

3267
02:06:49,270 --> 02:06:47,920
you're planting a flag

3268
02:06:50,470 --> 02:06:49,280
i said

3269
02:06:53,030 --> 02:06:50,480
you know

3270
02:06:54,790 --> 02:06:53,040
we've we've heard it all and it's just

3271
02:06:55,830 --> 02:06:54,800
so funny

3272
02:06:58,629 --> 02:06:55,840
they've probably heard that joke a

3273
02:07:02,149 --> 02:06:58,639
hundred times a hundred times

3274
02:07:03,990 --> 02:07:02,159
if not a thousand um but uh it is a big

3275
02:07:05,430 --> 02:07:04,000
football place i mean it's they they got

3276
02:07:07,270 --> 02:07:05,440
the green jerseys and they wear

3277
02:07:08,709 --> 02:07:07,280
watermelons on their head it's like it's

3278
02:07:10,310 --> 02:07:08,719
almost like green bay it's one of those

3279
02:07:11,750 --> 02:07:10,320
kind of places where they they take

3280
02:07:13,430 --> 02:07:11,760
their football pretty serious there's

3281
02:07:15,030 --> 02:07:13,440
nobody there's no empty seats and

3282
02:07:16,390 --> 02:07:15,040
they're just like crazy and they they

3283
02:07:18,790 --> 02:07:16,400
travel around with their team all over

3284
02:07:22,310 --> 02:07:18,800
canada it's a it's quite a quite a place

3285
02:07:25,830 --> 02:07:22,320
yeah i i remember uh so uh we pulled in

3286
02:07:28,310 --> 02:07:25,840
a small airport we had a private private

3287
02:07:30,149 --> 02:07:28,320
plane and we land and and so we pull

3288
02:07:32,390 --> 02:07:30,159
into town and

3289
02:07:34,870 --> 02:07:32,400
we're pulling up to this hotel

3290
02:07:36,870 --> 02:07:34,880
and i'm looking at it i'm like man this

3291
02:07:38,790 --> 02:07:36,880
looks like a castle

3292
02:07:40,950 --> 02:07:38,800
right and i just look at

3293
02:07:44,229 --> 02:07:40,960
and the person that i'm with who's uh

3294
02:07:47,270 --> 02:07:44,239
from the area says this used to be uh

3295
02:07:50,229 --> 02:07:47,280
the government center building

3296
02:07:51,510 --> 02:07:50,239
like you know the parliament of of of

3297
02:07:53,510 --> 02:07:51,520
what

3298
02:07:55,430 --> 02:07:53,520
all that makes sense you should have

3299
02:07:59,830 --> 02:07:55,440
seen my room

3300
02:08:02,229 --> 02:07:59,840
oh my uh it was uh it was cool it was i

3301
02:08:03,669 --> 02:08:02,239
love that town i love vagina great food

3302
02:08:04,550 --> 02:08:03,679
too great beef

3303
02:08:07,510 --> 02:08:04,560
um

3304
02:08:09,030 --> 02:08:07,520
oh okay so uh back you asked me uh

3305
02:08:12,629 --> 02:08:09,040
before the break

3306
02:08:14,950 --> 02:08:12,639
uh about uh uh the requirements of

3307
02:08:17,350 --> 02:08:14,960
delivery of reports and the dates

3308
02:08:18,629 --> 02:08:17,360
uh and this is what it says it says not

3309
02:08:21,990 --> 02:08:18,639
later than

3310
02:08:26,149 --> 02:08:22,000
december 31 2022

3311
02:08:27,470 --> 02:08:26,159
and annually thereafter until december

3312
02:08:31,189 --> 02:08:27,480
31st

3313
02:08:33,910 --> 02:08:31,199
2026 the secretary of defense shall

3314
02:08:35,109 --> 02:08:33,920
submit to the appropriate congressional

3315
02:08:37,589 --> 02:08:35,119
committees

3316
02:08:39,750 --> 02:08:37,599
a report on unidentified aerial

3317
02:08:42,790 --> 02:08:39,760
phenomena so it doesn't say every 90

3318
02:08:45,430 --> 02:08:42,800
days doesn't say every 180 days it says

3319
02:08:46,950 --> 02:08:45,440
annually once a year

3320
02:08:48,390 --> 02:08:46,960
so uh

3321
02:08:49,990 --> 02:08:48,400
and that's it i know it's kind of a

3322
02:08:51,430 --> 02:08:50,000
bummer

3323
02:08:53,350 --> 02:08:51,440
for everybody

3324
02:08:54,709 --> 02:08:53,360
to think about this happening happening

3325
02:08:57,109 --> 02:08:54,719
annually

3326
02:08:59,109 --> 02:08:57,119
but that never happened before first off

3327
02:09:01,430 --> 02:08:59,119
but the other part is they have to

3328
02:09:03,669 --> 02:09:01,440
establish and and they're

3329
02:09:06,229 --> 02:09:03,679
definitely pointing everything out

3330
02:09:07,589 --> 02:09:06,239
they have to establish uh channels of

3331
02:09:10,390 --> 02:09:07,599
communication

3332
02:09:12,550 --> 02:09:10,400
uh interagency and between the branches

3333
02:09:15,350 --> 02:09:12,560
of the military when i say interagency

3334
02:09:16,830 --> 02:09:15,360
the the the intelligence communities

3335
02:09:19,910 --> 02:09:16,840
um they've got to get these

3336
02:09:22,709 --> 02:09:19,920
communications uh established

3337
02:09:25,830 --> 02:09:22,719
and that's not an easy feat

3338
02:09:27,430 --> 02:09:25,840
we struggled with it after 9 11

3339
02:09:29,830 --> 02:09:27,440
and

3340
02:09:32,470 --> 02:09:29,840
that's probably why 9 11 happened was

3341
02:09:35,430 --> 02:09:32,480
the lack of communication with everybody

3342
02:09:37,990 --> 02:09:35,440
in the government because they want to

3343
02:09:39,990 --> 02:09:38,000
keep that data collection to themselves

3344
02:09:41,510 --> 02:09:40,000
and you've just pointed that out grant

3345
02:09:45,350 --> 02:09:41,520
and that's the way it's always been and

3346
02:09:46,629 --> 02:09:45,360
with the ufo phenomenon it certainly has

3347
02:09:48,470 --> 02:09:46,639
been the way things have been

3348
02:09:50,709 --> 02:09:48,480
established yeah that was one of the

3349
02:09:52,709 --> 02:09:50,719
rumors i heard was the the whole idea

3350
02:09:54,709 --> 02:09:52,719
why you know lazar you always hear this

3351
02:09:56,149 --> 02:09:54,719
thing the navy the navy the navy and all

3352
02:09:58,390 --> 02:09:56,159
the reports coming up and they why is

3353
02:09:59,830 --> 02:09:58,400
the navy why not the air force and one

3354
02:10:01,669 --> 02:09:59,840
of the things that that if you

3355
02:10:03,589 --> 02:10:01,679
understand this funding thing when the

3356
02:10:05,669 --> 02:10:03,599
ufo thing started the air force hadn't

3357
02:10:08,149 --> 02:10:05,679
been developed yet they hadn't been

3358
02:10:10,149 --> 02:10:08,159
designed yet so the navy had all the

3359
02:10:13,109 --> 02:10:10,159
research funds in the

3360
02:10:14,390 --> 02:10:13,119
department of defense in 1946 and so

3361
02:10:15,350 --> 02:10:14,400
when the air force comes along and then

3362
02:10:17,430 --> 02:10:15,360
suddenly says oh we're going to take

3363
02:10:19,350 --> 02:10:17,440
over the ufos and all the money and

3364
02:10:21,030 --> 02:10:19,360
stuff they go no no no no we're still

3365
02:10:23,350 --> 02:10:21,040
running this thing this and that's you

3366
02:10:26,310 --> 02:10:23,360
always have these inter uh agencies

3367
02:10:28,310 --> 02:10:26,320
rivalries is you know navy's got its own

3368
02:10:29,669 --> 02:10:28,320
air force and the you know the army and

3369
02:10:31,830 --> 02:10:29,679
you've got all these things where nobody

3370
02:10:33,350 --> 02:10:31,840
wants to give something up to somebody

3371
02:10:34,950 --> 02:10:33,360
else just because you're the new guy on

3372
02:10:36,870 --> 02:10:34,960
town we've got the money and it's all

3373
02:10:38,790 --> 02:10:36,880
about research funding and we're not

3374
02:10:41,030 --> 02:10:38,800
giving up the funding so that was one of

3375
02:10:42,709 --> 02:10:41,040
the stories why the navy was so heavily

3376
02:10:45,030 --> 02:10:42,719
involved because the navy was the only

3377
02:10:47,750 --> 02:10:45,040
game in town when the ufo thing started

3378
02:10:49,510 --> 02:10:47,760
now do you think uh they keep talking

3379
02:10:50,390 --> 02:10:49,520
about allies

3380
02:10:53,990 --> 02:10:50,400
well

3381
02:10:57,109 --> 02:10:54,000
you know we have canada uh probably uh

3382
02:10:58,390 --> 02:10:57,119
well our closest neighbor uh certainly

3383
02:11:03,270 --> 02:10:58,400
but uh

3384
02:11:07,270 --> 02:11:03,280
without a doubt uh a real true ally

3385
02:11:09,270 --> 02:11:07,280
of the united states and do you expect

3386
02:11:11,350 --> 02:11:09,280
uh open communication between the two

3387
02:11:13,430 --> 02:11:11,360
governments on this everything that's

3388
02:11:16,149 --> 02:11:13,440
happening with ufos down in the united

3389
02:11:18,790 --> 02:11:16,159
states certainly goes on in canada

3390
02:11:21,910 --> 02:11:18,800
i i've already filed what's called an

3391
02:11:25,750 --> 02:11:21,920
access to information request here

3392
02:11:27,270 --> 02:11:25,760
with the uh embassy with uh um i

3393
02:11:28,069 --> 02:11:27,280
understand the embassy has been talked

3394
02:11:30,229 --> 02:11:28,079
to

3395
02:11:32,550 --> 02:11:30,239
there was uh official meetings taking

3396
02:11:34,790 --> 02:11:32,560
place so i'm trying to track that down

3397
02:11:36,310 --> 02:11:34,800
it's already happened

3398
02:11:38,950 --> 02:11:36,320
and and

3399
02:11:41,350 --> 02:11:38,960
what are you referring to

3400
02:11:44,390 --> 02:11:41,360
uh communication with the united states

3401
02:11:47,589 --> 02:11:44,400
on the uap situation

3402
02:11:49,350 --> 02:11:47,599
uh even lazando said the five

3403
02:11:52,790 --> 02:11:49,360
eyes have been

3404
02:11:55,189 --> 02:11:52,800
informed and my word is that we know

3405
02:11:57,589 --> 02:11:55,199
what the ambassador at least one

3406
02:11:59,270 --> 02:11:57,599
u.s ambassador to the united states was

3407
02:12:01,669 --> 02:11:59,280
uh given an official meeting and i'm

3408
02:12:04,310 --> 02:12:01,679
trying to track it down with the uh with

3409
02:12:06,470 --> 02:12:04,320
the paperwork to confirm and i know that

3410
02:12:08,229 --> 02:12:06,480
there are

3411
02:12:09,830 --> 02:12:08,239
people in the government in the

3412
02:12:12,069 --> 02:12:09,840
opposition party

3413
02:12:14,069 --> 02:12:12,079
that have studied this i was brought in

3414
02:12:15,350 --> 02:12:14,079
on a briefing thing to bring them up to

3415
02:12:16,790 --> 02:12:15,360
speed because they don't know who

3416
02:12:18,390 --> 02:12:16,800
everybody is

3417
02:12:20,629 --> 02:12:18,400
they've had discussions not formal

3418
02:12:21,830 --> 02:12:20,639
discussions so there's been a there's

3419
02:12:23,750 --> 02:12:21,840
been people who have been talked to in

3420
02:12:26,229 --> 02:12:23,760
canada already now

3421
02:12:29,030 --> 02:12:26,239
i would assume

3422
02:12:31,430 --> 02:12:29,040
that there has always been a pretty

3423
02:12:34,470 --> 02:12:31,440
consistent sharing of information on all

3424
02:12:37,030 --> 02:12:34,480
levels for any reason between

3425
02:12:38,950 --> 02:12:37,040
the two countries but then i have to go

3426
02:12:41,189 --> 02:12:38,960
back and i have to look at the reality

3427
02:12:43,030 --> 02:12:41,199
of it canada is still pretty pissed off

3428
02:12:45,270 --> 02:12:43,040
about wayne gretzky

3429
02:12:49,109 --> 02:12:46,709
yeah

3430
02:12:49,990 --> 02:12:49,119
take it seriously it was done in i think

3431
02:12:51,830 --> 02:12:50,000
um

3432
02:12:53,589 --> 02:12:51,840
all along what people have to realize is

3433
02:12:55,589 --> 02:12:53,599
that during world war ii and this is

3434
02:12:57,270 --> 02:12:55,599
where all this hinges world war ii this

3435
02:12:59,189 --> 02:12:57,280
technology thing that's when everybody

3436
02:13:01,750 --> 02:12:59,199
learned how to do technology right and

3437
02:13:03,589 --> 02:13:01,760
the the americans the british and the

3438
02:13:05,270 --> 02:13:03,599
canadians all worked on the atomic bomb

3439
02:13:07,510 --> 02:13:05,280
they all worked on radar they're all

3440
02:13:09,669 --> 02:13:07,520
working together and worked as one thing

3441
02:13:12,149 --> 02:13:09,679
so tizzard was the big guy in

3442
02:13:14,229 --> 02:13:12,159
in in england uh

3443
02:13:16,550 --> 02:13:14,239
oman salant who if you see the canadian

3444
02:13:18,310 --> 02:13:16,560
ufo top secret memo celante is the guy

3445
02:13:20,229 --> 02:13:18,320
mentioned in canada right and in the

3446
02:13:21,830 --> 02:13:20,239
united states it was vanvar bush so

3447
02:13:23,510 --> 02:13:21,840
wilbur smith and this was in this book

3448
02:13:25,270 --> 02:13:23,520
that i'm just about to release wilbur

3449
02:13:27,669 --> 02:13:25,280
smith actually sent a

3450
02:13:29,350 --> 02:13:27,679
a paper on ufo propulsion to van over

3451
02:13:30,870 --> 02:13:29,360
bush now we don't know what happened but

3452
02:13:32,069 --> 02:13:30,880
we know that went to van over bush

3453
02:13:34,069 --> 02:13:32,079
because we actually have the letter from

3454
02:13:36,550 --> 02:13:34,079
the canadian embassy that describes the

3455
02:13:37,669 --> 02:13:36,560
fact so there was a lot of cooperation

3456
02:13:40,069 --> 02:13:37,679
and one of the things they were

3457
02:13:41,189 --> 02:13:40,079
cooperating on is that the americans had

3458
02:13:43,030 --> 02:13:41,199
told this is one of the things i got

3459
02:13:44,870 --> 02:13:43,040
into the consciousness thing

3460
02:13:46,870 --> 02:13:44,880
in the top secret memo it says the four

3461
02:13:48,229 --> 02:13:46,880
things you flying saucers exist it's the

3462
02:13:49,830 --> 02:13:48,239
most highly classified subject in the

3463
02:13:51,350 --> 02:13:49,840
united states it's of tremendous

3464
02:13:53,109 --> 02:13:51,360
significance to the americans there's a

3465
02:13:54,629 --> 02:13:53,119
group a small group headed by dr van

3466
02:13:56,709 --> 02:13:54,639
over bush who are trying to figure it

3467
02:13:59,030 --> 02:13:56,719
out and the very next line says we're

3468
02:14:00,550 --> 02:13:59,040
also told by american officials that

3469
02:14:03,830 --> 02:14:00,560
other things might be associated with

3470
02:14:05,990 --> 02:14:03,840
the flying saucers and this is 1950 such

3471
02:14:07,830 --> 02:14:06,000
as mental phenomena and the americans

3472
02:14:09,589 --> 02:14:07,840
aren't doing very well because they said

3473
02:14:12,069 --> 02:14:09,599
if we are working on it they're willing

3474
02:14:13,589 --> 02:14:12,079
to exchange credentials and talk to us

3475
02:14:15,109 --> 02:14:13,599
if we're working on mental phenomena

3476
02:14:16,709 --> 02:14:15,119
they're willing to talk to us so there

3477
02:14:18,390 --> 02:14:16,719
was these cooperations going back and

3478
02:14:20,709 --> 02:14:18,400
forth trying to work on this in the

3479
02:14:22,310 --> 02:14:20,719
early days on the on the ufo thing and

3480
02:14:23,990 --> 02:14:22,320
then the canadians shut the program down

3481
02:14:24,950 --> 02:14:24,000
in 1954

3482
02:14:26,310 --> 02:14:24,960
and

3483
02:14:28,629 --> 02:14:26,320
i don't know what happened after that it

3484
02:14:31,669 --> 02:14:28,639
sort of went in but now it sounds like

3485
02:14:33,350 --> 02:14:31,679
um we've got some leads as to who's in

3486
02:14:35,109 --> 02:14:33,360
contact and we have the access to

3487
02:14:36,470 --> 02:14:35,119
information request where we can

3488
02:14:38,390 --> 02:14:36,480
actually we may not be able to find out

3489
02:14:40,069 --> 02:14:38,400
what the briefing was or what they were

3490
02:14:41,910 --> 02:14:40,079
told but we can actually confirm that

3491
02:14:43,350 --> 02:14:41,920
there was a meeting that took place with

3492
02:14:47,189 --> 02:14:43,360
the canadian ambassador to the united

3493
02:14:47,990 --> 02:14:47,199
states now what is uh what's the overall

3494
02:14:49,109 --> 02:14:48,000
uh

3495
02:14:52,390 --> 02:14:49,119
mood

3496
02:14:53,990 --> 02:14:52,400
how does how does canada in a general

3497
02:14:57,830 --> 02:14:54,000
sense

3498
02:14:58,709 --> 02:14:57,840
look to their neighbors to the south

3499
02:15:01,350 --> 02:14:58,719
you know

3500
02:15:04,790 --> 02:15:01,360
overall uh

3501
02:15:06,069 --> 02:15:04,800
is it is it a big brother thing is it

3502
02:15:07,750 --> 02:15:06,079
is there

3503
02:15:10,870 --> 02:15:07,760
some drama that may

3504
02:15:14,149 --> 02:15:10,880
may be there i mean how was the outlook

3505
02:15:16,550 --> 02:15:14,159
uh uh about about the united states

3506
02:15:18,870 --> 02:15:16,560
well it used to i think it was a a lot

3507
02:15:20,069 --> 02:15:18,880
better than before than it was now now

3508
02:15:21,830 --> 02:15:20,079
you have this thing for example the

3509
02:15:23,109 --> 02:15:21,840
american border is still shut right

3510
02:15:25,189 --> 02:15:23,119
because you're shutting this the

3511
02:15:26,950 --> 02:15:25,199
southern border so

3512
02:15:28,229 --> 02:15:26,960
canadian the united states has allowed

3513
02:15:29,030 --> 02:15:28,239
china in

3514
02:15:34,550 --> 02:15:29,040
uh

3515
02:15:36,069 --> 02:15:34,560
still shut it's still sealed down so

3516
02:15:37,669 --> 02:15:36,079
americans can come into canada but

3517
02:15:40,149 --> 02:15:37,679
canada can't go into the united states

3518
02:15:41,990 --> 02:15:40,159
the border is is closed so it's things

3519
02:15:43,830 --> 02:15:42,000
like that and and the uncertainty in the

3520
02:15:45,990 --> 02:15:43,840
united states that kind of stuff you

3521
02:15:47,669 --> 02:15:46,000
know that you know it's uh

3522
02:15:50,629 --> 02:15:47,679
it's it's not what it was before it's a

3523
02:15:52,310 --> 02:15:50,639
lot more we're not as political as as

3524
02:15:53,990 --> 02:15:52,320
what's going on in the united states so

3525
02:15:55,990 --> 02:15:54,000
but it used to be like for example

3526
02:15:57,350 --> 02:15:56,000
everybody in canada lives within you

3527
02:15:59,430 --> 02:15:57,360
know 60 miles of the border so

3528
02:16:02,550 --> 02:15:59,440
everybody's got american tv everybody's

3529
02:16:03,910 --> 02:16:02,560
you know it's it's you'd never know

3530
02:16:06,790 --> 02:16:03,920
that you were not in the united states

3531
02:16:09,430 --> 02:16:06,800
it was that close but now you have these

3532
02:16:11,270 --> 02:16:09,440
and then the trade dispute with the the

3533
02:16:13,270 --> 02:16:11,280
cars and stuff like that so there's

3534
02:16:14,709 --> 02:16:13,280
there's some some stuff but people still

3535
02:16:16,629 --> 02:16:14,719
like to go to the united states people

3536
02:16:17,910 --> 02:16:16,639
like to it's not as good as it used to

3537
02:16:19,510 --> 02:16:17,920
be used to be really cheap to shop in

3538
02:16:21,430 --> 02:16:19,520
the united states people don't do that

3539
02:16:22,390 --> 02:16:21,440
but you have a lot of snowbirds go down

3540
02:16:23,910 --> 02:16:22,400
there

3541
02:16:25,189 --> 02:16:23,920
it's still a pretty close uh

3542
02:16:26,550 --> 02:16:25,199
relationship

3543
02:16:28,310 --> 02:16:26,560
in terms of

3544
02:16:29,990 --> 02:16:28,320
basically you would not know if you were

3545
02:16:31,430 --> 02:16:30,000
in in

3546
02:16:32,950 --> 02:16:31,440
canada that you were not in the united

3547
02:16:34,549 --> 02:16:32,960
states it's pretty the tv is all the

3548
02:16:36,790 --> 02:16:34,559
same it's all pretty much the same now

3549
02:16:38,070 --> 02:16:36,800
uh and what about the media coverage and

3550
02:16:39,429 --> 02:16:38,080
because i think that's a really good

3551
02:16:41,830 --> 02:16:39,439
point where

3552
02:16:43,030 --> 02:16:41,840
you know if every most canadian citizens

3553
02:16:45,910 --> 02:16:43,040
live that close to the border and

3554
02:16:48,389 --> 02:16:45,920
they're getting uh american television

3555
02:16:51,830 --> 02:16:48,399
then they're getting american

3556
02:16:53,110 --> 02:16:51,840
news and they're also getting the uap

3557
02:16:55,349 --> 02:16:53,120
coverage

3558
02:16:56,950 --> 02:16:55,359
and you know nick pope and luella zando

3559
02:16:59,830 --> 02:16:56,960
on tucker carlson

3560
02:17:03,750 --> 02:16:59,840
is that same coverage happening in

3561
02:17:05,830 --> 02:17:03,760
canada when it comes to ufos and uaps

3562
02:17:07,110 --> 02:17:05,840
ufos in canada has never caught on

3563
02:17:08,070 --> 02:17:07,120
that's always something i've noticed in

3564
02:17:09,110 --> 02:17:08,080
the united states like you have all

3565
02:17:10,950 --> 02:17:09,120
these conferences especially in

3566
02:17:12,549 --> 02:17:10,960
california like every city has got a

3567
02:17:16,469 --> 02:17:12,559
conference big you know and big ones

3568
02:17:18,389 --> 02:17:16,479
like like uh you know the alien con and

3569
02:17:19,830 --> 02:17:18,399
uh conscious and life expo is like

3570
02:17:21,270 --> 02:17:19,840
thousands of people there is no

3571
02:17:23,190 --> 02:17:21,280
conference in canada there's one in

3572
02:17:24,950 --> 02:17:23,200
toronto that ran a couple years ago

3573
02:17:26,629 --> 02:17:24,960
there are no conferences in canada the

3574
02:17:28,549 --> 02:17:26,639
ufo community there really is none

3575
02:17:31,110 --> 02:17:28,559
there's a couple of researchers around

3576
02:17:32,549 --> 02:17:31,120
there are little tiny groups there is no

3577
02:17:34,389 --> 02:17:32,559
ufo

3578
02:17:36,309 --> 02:17:34,399
mentality here at all i don't think in

3579
02:17:38,150 --> 02:17:36,319
terms of people talking about it or

3580
02:17:39,030 --> 02:17:38,160
groups or big conferences and stuff like

3581
02:17:44,309 --> 02:17:39,040
that

3582
02:17:46,870 --> 02:17:44,319
the two leading researchers uh

3583
02:17:48,469 --> 02:17:46,880
in ufology yourself and stanton friedman

3584
02:17:50,389 --> 02:17:48,479
are both canadian

3585
02:17:52,309 --> 02:17:50,399
yeah and kris krakowski is the yeah

3586
02:17:54,309 --> 02:17:52,319
we've now had the story that broke in

3587
02:17:55,429 --> 02:17:54,319
canada like you had bill moore getting

3588
02:17:56,950 --> 02:17:55,439
documents from the government now the

3589
02:17:58,790 --> 02:17:56,960
canadian government has admitted that

3590
02:18:00,150 --> 02:17:58,800
they were sending doc and i knew chris

3591
02:18:02,629 --> 02:18:00,160
was getting these documents back in the

3592
02:18:04,469 --> 02:18:02,639
1990s uh because i worked at university

3593
02:18:06,870 --> 02:18:04,479
worked at university with me so i knew

3594
02:18:09,509 --> 02:18:06,880
about this and now they've admitted that

3595
02:18:11,030 --> 02:18:09,519
they're they were feeding documents so

3596
02:18:12,230 --> 02:18:11,040
the question is are these documents

3597
02:18:14,070 --> 02:18:12,240
legitimate

3598
02:18:15,669 --> 02:18:14,080
why were they feeding documents to him

3599
02:18:17,589 --> 02:18:15,679
but the government did say what i

3600
02:18:19,669 --> 02:18:17,599
believe is the same thing with the u.s

3601
02:18:20,950 --> 02:18:19,679
is the government basically said we

3602
02:18:22,309 --> 02:18:20,960
don't believe it's a threat we don't

3603
02:18:23,910 --> 02:18:22,319
know what's going on we're really not

3604
02:18:25,750 --> 02:18:23,920
interested and that's the problem that

3605
02:18:27,990 --> 02:18:25,760
the americans have the same thing is

3606
02:18:30,950 --> 02:18:28,000
it's not in anybody's

3607
02:18:33,030 --> 02:18:30,960
job jar in terms of nobody really took

3608
02:18:34,950 --> 02:18:33,040
it now you're moving it into an agency

3609
02:18:36,790 --> 02:18:34,960
where everybody has to report

3610
02:18:38,469 --> 02:18:36,800
this is important we want you to do this

3611
02:18:40,709 --> 02:18:38,479
but in canada they were sending these

3612
02:18:43,270 --> 02:18:40,719
reports because i don't i firmly believe

3613
02:18:45,910 --> 02:18:43,280
that like 99.99999

3614
02:18:47,429 --> 02:18:45,920
percent of people have no clue in the

3615
02:18:48,870 --> 02:18:47,439
government about ufos and they don't

3616
02:18:50,389 --> 02:18:48,880
care because you're busy in

3617
02:18:51,910 --> 02:18:50,399
communications or in transport or

3618
02:18:53,349 --> 02:18:51,920
whatever it's not my job i don't really

3619
02:18:54,469 --> 02:18:53,359
care i mean who cares you know and

3620
02:18:55,429 --> 02:18:54,479
that's the thing they really don't

3621
02:18:57,589 --> 02:18:55,439
believe it so that's why they were

3622
02:18:59,349 --> 02:18:57,599
sending these reports down there maybe

3623
02:19:01,110 --> 02:18:59,359
one or two people but you know how

3624
02:19:03,349 --> 02:19:01,120
intelligence works all you need is one

3625
02:19:05,110 --> 02:19:03,359
guy in canada to feed in the top

3626
02:19:06,790 --> 02:19:05,120
material into an agency in the united

3627
02:19:08,549 --> 02:19:06,800
states and the people above him don't

3628
02:19:09,910 --> 02:19:08,559
even know he's doing it so there's

3629
02:19:12,070 --> 02:19:09,920
really i don't think any interest the

3630
02:19:13,910 --> 02:19:12,080
only one we had was the story that paul

3631
02:19:15,830 --> 02:19:13,920
hellyer told and even paul heller who

3632
02:19:17,750 --> 02:19:15,840
was the deputy prime minister is like

3633
02:19:19,669 --> 02:19:17,760
the vice president of canada when i

3634
02:19:21,190 --> 02:19:19,679
asked him about his things he said i

3635
02:19:23,190 --> 02:19:21,200
didn't know he said i was running the

3636
02:19:24,709 --> 02:19:23,200
secretary of the uh the defense

3637
02:19:26,950 --> 02:19:24,719
department i didn't know i was trying to

3638
02:19:28,309 --> 02:19:26,960
put all the agencies together i'd i saw

3639
02:19:30,790 --> 02:19:28,319
reports but i wasn't really interested

3640
02:19:33,349 --> 02:19:30,800
in what was going on and and so he was

3641
02:19:35,030 --> 02:19:33,359
asked in a conference uh

3642
02:19:36,469 --> 02:19:35,040
who in the canadian government

3643
02:19:37,589 --> 02:19:36,479
actually knows what's going on and he

3644
02:19:39,030 --> 02:19:37,599
and you could tell he was guessing he

3645
02:19:40,549 --> 02:19:39,040
was going uh the head of the privy

3646
02:19:42,230 --> 02:19:40,559
council who's in the prime minister's

3647
02:19:43,509 --> 02:19:42,240
office and then it came around the

3648
02:19:45,509 --> 02:19:43,519
second time and that's when he told this

3649
02:19:47,750 --> 02:19:45,519
dramatic story that i just fell off my

3650
02:19:49,750 --> 02:19:47,760
chair where he said oh i know one guy

3651
02:19:51,910 --> 02:19:49,760
who knows what's going on in canada and

3652
02:19:53,990 --> 02:19:51,920
he said i was contacted by a guy out of

3653
02:19:55,270 --> 02:19:54,000
the air force who said there's this guy

3654
02:19:57,349 --> 02:19:55,280
who's got something he wants to get off

3655
02:19:59,030 --> 02:19:57,359
his chest and we he wants to tell

3656
02:20:01,190 --> 02:19:59,040
somebody and you're the guy he's picked

3657
02:20:02,630 --> 02:20:01,200
to tell the story and it was the head of

3658
02:20:04,790 --> 02:20:02,640
the emergency management so in the

3659
02:20:07,510 --> 02:20:04,800
united states it's fema and if you take

3660
02:20:09,110 --> 02:20:07,520
a look at the fema it runs the the the

3661
02:20:10,389 --> 02:20:09,120
bunker where the president is taken if

3662
02:20:12,150 --> 02:20:10,399
there's a nuclear war outside of

3663
02:20:13,750 --> 02:20:12,160
washington and stuff like that right and

3664
02:20:15,990 --> 02:20:13,760
that would make sense that the head of

3665
02:20:18,309 --> 02:20:16,000
fema the head of the emergency measures

3666
02:20:20,710 --> 02:20:18,319
in canada would know because if there's

3667
02:20:22,389 --> 02:20:20,720
a crash and you can't control the story

3668
02:20:23,830 --> 02:20:22,399
you may have the stock market melt down

3669
02:20:26,389 --> 02:20:23,840
you could put money in the banks you

3670
02:20:28,790 --> 02:20:26,399
have to have all these you know plans

3671
02:20:30,790 --> 02:20:28,800
and so he said that the the the guy was

3672
02:20:32,309 --> 02:20:30,800
he wanted to tell him the story and he

3673
02:20:34,389 --> 02:20:32,319
didn't contact him the air force guy

3674
02:20:37,030 --> 02:20:34,399
phones back and he said the guy had lou

3675
02:20:38,550 --> 02:20:37,040
gellar lou gehrig's disease uh als and

3676
02:20:40,309 --> 02:20:38,560
he said he's about to go off the cliff

3677
02:20:41,910 --> 02:20:40,319
you better phone him so he phoned up the

3678
02:20:42,790 --> 02:20:41,920
guy and he said i just want to let you

3679
02:20:47,910 --> 02:20:42,800
know

3680
02:20:50,230 --> 02:20:47,920
cia i signed my life away i was told

3681
02:20:52,070 --> 02:20:50,240
this is for real i got a briefing and i

3682
02:20:54,230 --> 02:20:52,080
actually sat inside a craft in this

3683
02:20:56,710 --> 02:20:54,240
inside area 51 i just want to let you

3684
02:20:58,070 --> 02:20:56,720
know this story's for real and that was

3685
02:20:59,830 --> 02:20:58,080
when i heard paul heather tell that

3686
02:21:01,830 --> 02:20:59,840
story that this guy in his deathbed had

3687
02:21:03,990 --> 02:21:01,840
told him this story that is one guy but

3688
02:21:05,429 --> 02:21:04,000
other than that i i that's why i really

3689
02:21:07,190 --> 02:21:05,439
don't work on canadian stuff i haven't

3690
02:21:08,710 --> 02:21:07,200
got a clue where to go now i hear about

3691
02:21:11,190 --> 02:21:08,720
the canadian ambassador to the united

3692
02:21:12,870 --> 02:21:11,200
states was so now we have a lead but

3693
02:21:14,950 --> 02:21:12,880
until then like in the united states you

3694
02:21:16,630 --> 02:21:14,960
know the cia's involved dia is involved

3695
02:21:18,389 --> 02:21:16,640
you know all these agencies people are

3696
02:21:20,070 --> 02:21:18,399
leaking documents they're running around

3697
02:21:22,469 --> 02:21:20,080
but in canada i haven't got a clue i

3698
02:21:23,830 --> 02:21:22,479
said i haven't the clue to go to who do

3699
02:21:26,230 --> 02:21:23,840
you go to find out who's got the

3700
02:21:29,990 --> 02:21:26,240
material so now we've got a couple leads

3701
02:21:32,389 --> 02:21:30,000
well trudeau's a reptilian

3702
02:21:33,190 --> 02:21:32,399
and and so and you've got that going for

3703
02:21:33,910 --> 02:21:33,200
you

3704
02:21:36,150 --> 02:21:33,920
um

3705
02:21:37,990 --> 02:21:36,160
has he was given a briefing someone that

3706
02:21:39,670 --> 02:21:38,000
just wasn't breathing

3707
02:21:41,830 --> 02:21:39,680
briefing yeah yeah yeah i destroyed

3708
02:21:42,870 --> 02:21:41,840
everything some crazy briefing about you

3709
02:21:44,469 --> 02:21:42,880
know they're going to take over and all

3710
02:21:45,830 --> 02:21:44,479
this kind of stuff and and i i don't

3711
02:21:47,349 --> 02:21:45,840
know if it got to them but that's the

3712
02:21:48,790 --> 02:21:47,359
kind of stuff that kills you is that

3713
02:21:51,110 --> 02:21:48,800
somebody puts that kind of stuff in

3714
02:21:52,150 --> 02:21:51,120
there and everybody just backs away and

3715
02:21:55,190 --> 02:21:52,160
says i don't want anything to do with

3716
02:21:57,910 --> 02:21:55,200
this has he as has trudeau ever

3717
02:21:59,910 --> 02:21:57,920
mentioned or his dad

3718
02:22:01,030 --> 02:21:59,920
have they ever brought up the ufo

3719
02:22:02,950 --> 02:22:01,040
subject

3720
02:22:05,349 --> 02:22:02,960
you know like you know like trump and

3721
02:22:07,670 --> 02:22:05,359
and and clinton and

3722
02:22:09,590 --> 02:22:07,680
and uh obama

3723
02:22:11,270 --> 02:22:09,600
they don't have uh seem to have any

3724
02:22:13,590 --> 02:22:11,280
issues with uh

3725
02:22:15,990 --> 02:22:13,600
with discussing it at least mentioning

3726
02:22:17,750 --> 02:22:16,000
it or answering questions about it

3727
02:22:19,429 --> 02:22:17,760
but anything with the trudeaus and the

3728
02:22:21,670 --> 02:22:19,439
family the only the only prime ministers

3729
02:22:24,230 --> 02:22:21,680
i heard was uh diefenbaker in the early

3730
02:22:26,230 --> 02:22:24,240
60s had to deal with it and uh pearson

3731
02:22:28,630 --> 02:22:26,240
who won the nobel prize peace prize

3732
02:22:30,309 --> 02:22:28,640
actually made a speech about uh how the

3733
02:22:31,510 --> 02:22:30,319
world would unite if faced with the

3734
02:22:33,590 --> 02:22:31,520
alien threat that's where almost like

3735
02:22:35,910 --> 02:22:33,600
reagan got it from and he talked about

3736
02:22:37,670 --> 02:22:35,920
if we were invaded by martians the world

3737
02:22:39,429 --> 02:22:37,680
would come together that was in a speech

3738
02:22:41,990 --> 02:22:39,439
that he gave i think

3739
02:22:44,870 --> 02:22:42,000
at his uh nobel prize-winning speech so

3740
02:22:47,830 --> 02:22:44,880
he was prime minister in the 60s uh and

3741
02:22:49,429 --> 02:22:47,840
and hailier may even been under his in

3742
02:22:51,510 --> 02:22:49,439
his cabinet and the other one that

3743
02:22:53,750 --> 02:22:51,520
wilbur smith's

3744
02:22:55,270 --> 02:22:53,760
wife told me was that in the early days

3745
02:22:57,190 --> 02:22:55,280
wilbur smith was dealing directly with

3746
02:22:59,670 --> 02:22:57,200
the prime minister of canada and that

3747
02:23:01,990 --> 02:22:59,680
they had decided to withhold the project

3748
02:23:03,590 --> 02:23:02,000
magnet report and that the report sat on

3749
02:23:04,389 --> 02:23:03,600
the prime minister's desk for three

3750
02:23:06,309 --> 02:23:04,399
months

3751
02:23:07,910 --> 02:23:06,319
and and that there was a meeting this if

3752
02:23:09,910 --> 02:23:07,920
you've heard this famous story i told

3753
02:23:12,469 --> 02:23:09,920
him the book about the canadians open up

3754
02:23:14,070 --> 02:23:12,479
suffield alberta for a ufo to land and

3755
02:23:15,510 --> 02:23:14,080
the hulk we had this and i put in the

3756
02:23:17,030 --> 02:23:15,520
book i have this correspondence going

3757
02:23:18,950 --> 02:23:17,040
back and forth to helya and we're

3758
02:23:21,670 --> 02:23:18,960
telling helya in the 1970s because in

3759
02:23:23,349 --> 02:23:21,680
1967 he made a speech at a ufo landing

3760
02:23:25,110 --> 02:23:23,359
base which is a centennial project or

3761
02:23:26,469 --> 02:23:25,120
whatever for some town or whatever he

3762
02:23:28,550 --> 02:23:26,479
said oh this is the first time we had a

3763
02:23:30,309 --> 02:23:28,560
ufo landing base the canadians opened

3764
02:23:33,110 --> 02:23:30,319
suffield alberta which was a top secret

3765
02:23:34,550 --> 02:23:33,120
base for ufos to land in 1954 you owe

3766
02:23:36,870 --> 02:23:34,560
nothing landed there for ufos don't

3767
02:23:39,110 --> 02:23:36,880
exist and we were after in the 1970s and

3768
02:23:41,349 --> 02:23:39,120
saying how did the ufos know where to

3769
02:23:43,110 --> 02:23:41,359
land how did they know they had to have

3770
02:23:45,590 --> 02:23:43,120
gotten some communication so i showed it

3771
02:23:47,190 --> 02:23:45,600
to wilbur smith's wife and i said

3772
02:23:49,510 --> 02:23:47,200
was wilbur behind us and she said yeah

3773
02:23:50,710 --> 02:23:49,520
wilbur was behind it he had an alien by

3774
02:23:52,870 --> 02:23:50,720
the name of alpha and he told the

3775
02:23:54,790 --> 02:23:52,880
canadian government if you don't shoot

3776
02:23:57,190 --> 02:23:54,800
this try to shoot this thing down i'll

3777
02:23:59,270 --> 02:23:57,200
get alpha to land they opened up

3778
02:24:00,630 --> 02:23:59,280
suffield alberta and he could not get a

3779
02:24:02,550 --> 02:24:00,640
guarantee that they would allow it to

3780
02:24:04,469 --> 02:24:02,560
take off the canadian parliament the

3781
02:24:05,990 --> 02:24:04,479
royal canada police went with it the

3782
02:24:07,910 --> 02:24:06,000
defense department went along with but

3783
02:24:09,429 --> 02:24:07,920
the cabinet would not give 100 agreement

3784
02:24:11,750 --> 02:24:09,439
they would allow it to take off wilbur

3785
02:24:12,950 --> 02:24:11,760
said it's called off there's no landing

3786
02:24:14,950 --> 02:24:12,960
that's what the hall of the story

3787
02:24:16,550 --> 02:24:14,960
happened wilbur smith called it off but

3788
02:24:17,510 --> 02:24:16,560
they opened up cellphone alberta where

3789
02:24:19,590 --> 02:24:17,520
they've done

3790
02:24:21,990 --> 02:24:19,600
nerve gas testing it had a restricted

3791
02:24:23,670 --> 02:24:22,000
like area 51 a restricted overflight on

3792
02:24:25,830 --> 02:24:23,680
it and stuff like that in alberta but

3793
02:24:28,070 --> 02:24:25,840
they actually in 1950 open open and

3794
02:24:30,469 --> 02:24:28,080
that's the remember that's when the the

3795
02:24:32,550 --> 02:24:30,479
the famous eisenhower uh incident

3796
02:24:34,389 --> 02:24:32,560
occurred at edwards air force base it

3797
02:24:36,389 --> 02:24:34,399
was the same year where the canadians

3798
02:24:39,750 --> 02:24:36,399
were going to land a ufo at suffola

3799
02:24:40,830 --> 02:24:39,760
alberta now uh and hell year i think

3800
02:24:43,670 --> 02:24:40,840
hellyer

3801
02:24:45,990 --> 02:24:43,680
mentions um and you would be the one to

3802
02:24:47,349 --> 02:24:46,000
know this you can correct me but i think

3803
02:24:49,510 --> 02:24:47,359
hellyer

3804
02:24:50,950 --> 02:24:49,520
mentions that he actually personally

3805
02:24:54,309 --> 02:24:50,960
want to

3806
02:24:58,150 --> 02:24:54,319
follow up many years later on the ufo

3807
02:25:00,950 --> 02:24:58,160
landing bases and and got nowhere it's

3808
02:25:02,630 --> 02:25:00,960
like it it either it ended or nobody

3809
02:25:04,710 --> 02:25:02,640
else was talking about it because i

3810
02:25:06,870 --> 02:25:04,720
couldn't find anything out

3811
02:25:08,389 --> 02:25:06,880
right didn't helya mention that i i

3812
02:25:09,750 --> 02:25:08,399
don't remember that he he got into some

3813
02:25:11,830 --> 02:25:09,760
trouble because he had started his own

3814
02:25:13,429 --> 02:25:11,840
party so he started his own party so he

3815
02:25:15,670 --> 02:25:13,439
didn't have the connections inside the

3816
02:25:16,870 --> 02:25:15,680
government that you would you would have

3817
02:25:19,110 --> 02:25:16,880
if you were just a republican or

3818
02:25:21,190 --> 02:25:19,120
democrat so he

3819
02:25:22,630 --> 02:25:21,200
where he started but he really that's

3820
02:25:25,750 --> 02:25:22,640
what people don't realize hellyer did

3821
02:25:28,150 --> 02:25:25,760
not know anything until his son came he

3822
02:25:30,790 --> 02:25:28,160
was reading the the the day after

3823
02:25:32,710 --> 02:25:30,800
roswell by corso and his son-in-law was

3824
02:25:33,990 --> 02:25:32,720
at his car his cabin north of toronto

3825
02:25:35,190 --> 02:25:34,000
and his son-in-law came and said what

3826
02:25:36,469 --> 02:25:35,200
are you reading that garbage for that's

3827
02:25:37,830 --> 02:25:36,479
absolutely nonsense

3828
02:25:39,830 --> 02:25:37,840
stupid like when he read that he said

3829
02:25:41,429 --> 02:25:39,840
really it's this is nonsense and then

3830
02:25:43,510 --> 02:25:41,439
his son was working for a two-star

3831
02:25:44,630 --> 02:25:43,520
general and he asked the general and

3832
02:25:46,389 --> 02:25:44,640
that's when the general said oh yeah

3833
02:25:48,790 --> 02:25:46,399
this is for real and more and then

3834
02:25:49,510 --> 02:25:48,800
that's when hellyer phoned the general

3835
02:25:51,830 --> 02:25:49,520
and

3836
02:25:53,910 --> 02:25:51,840
general's name he never gives the

3837
02:25:55,670 --> 02:25:53,920
general's name air force general and the

3838
02:25:57,190 --> 02:25:55,680
guy said yeah it's all real and more

3839
02:25:59,349 --> 02:25:57,200
that's when hellyer went off the deep

3840
02:26:01,110 --> 02:25:59,359
end and he started chasing the story but

3841
02:26:02,550 --> 02:26:01,120
what the mistake he made he was just

3842
02:26:04,630 --> 02:26:02,560
repeating whatever he was saying he

3843
02:26:06,870 --> 02:26:04,640
didn't have any trio true access to get

3844
02:26:08,469 --> 02:26:06,880
the stuff except for that guy that that

3845
02:26:09,830 --> 02:26:08,479
emergency management guy talked to him

3846
02:26:11,910 --> 02:26:09,840
but other than that he was just sort of

3847
02:26:13,510 --> 02:26:11,920
grabbing stories off the internet and

3848
02:26:16,150 --> 02:26:13,520
and repeating them and it worked to our

3849
02:26:18,389 --> 02:26:16,160
benefit because he was this former

3850
02:26:19,830 --> 02:26:18,399
you know high-level government official

3851
02:26:21,190 --> 02:26:19,840
that everybody it sort of raised

3852
02:26:22,630 --> 02:26:21,200
consciousness but it was a bunch he was

3853
02:26:23,990 --> 02:26:22,640
putting out a bunch of stuff that he

3854
02:26:26,309 --> 02:26:24,000
really didn't vet very well i don't

3855
02:26:29,110 --> 02:26:26,319
think do you think um

3856
02:26:30,950 --> 02:26:29,120
uh that the five eyes

3857
02:26:34,230 --> 02:26:30,960
and and when we look at the importance

3858
02:26:37,190 --> 02:26:34,240
of the five eyes and and who they are do

3859
02:26:39,510 --> 02:26:37,200
they have to establish the same protocol

3860
02:26:43,270 --> 02:26:39,520
as the united states where

3861
02:26:45,750 --> 02:26:43,280
canada's got to go interagency and open

3862
02:26:47,910 --> 02:26:45,760
communications between the agencies and

3863
02:26:50,389 --> 02:26:47,920
centrally collect the data and then that

3864
02:26:52,070 --> 02:26:50,399
would come into the united states uh to

3865
02:26:54,790 --> 02:26:52,080
the repository and the same thing for

3866
02:26:59,349 --> 02:26:54,800
australia you know the rest of the five

3867
02:27:00,950 --> 02:26:59,359
is are these protocols uh needed for for

3868
02:27:04,070 --> 02:27:00,960
each country do they have the same

3869
02:27:05,270 --> 02:27:04,080
issues of no communication yeah actually

3870
02:27:06,469 --> 02:27:05,280
it's a good thing you might brought it

3871
02:27:08,870 --> 02:27:06,479
up because i'll file and access the

3872
02:27:10,230 --> 02:27:08,880
information requests as to what the

3873
02:27:11,910 --> 02:27:10,240
protocols are what they're what they're

3874
02:27:14,070 --> 02:27:11,920
doing because it would be defense but

3875
02:27:15,670 --> 02:27:14,080
you'd have the same sort of idea where

3876
02:27:18,469 --> 02:27:15,680
in canada it's actually worse because

3877
02:27:19,830 --> 02:27:18,479
you have uh the deputy

3878
02:27:21,590 --> 02:27:19,840
minister is actually the guy with the

3879
02:27:23,190 --> 02:27:21,600
power the minister is being moved around

3880
02:27:25,110 --> 02:27:23,200
they're juggling cabinet all the time so

3881
02:27:27,270 --> 02:27:25,120
they're always switching the head guy

3882
02:27:28,630 --> 02:27:27,280
it's the deputy

3883
02:27:30,469 --> 02:27:28,640
that would have all the power but it's

3884
02:27:32,150 --> 02:27:30,479
the same sort of power struggle

3885
02:27:33,990 --> 02:27:32,160
where you're trying to figure out who's

3886
02:27:35,910 --> 02:27:34,000
collecting ufo information it's not

3887
02:27:37,190 --> 02:27:35,920
centralized and nobody really cares i

3888
02:27:39,270 --> 02:27:37,200
think that's the main problem same in

3889
02:27:41,429 --> 02:27:39,280
the united states is that the people who

3890
02:27:42,469 --> 02:27:41,439
know what's going on are hiding in

3891
02:27:44,870 --> 02:27:42,479
bunkers

3892
02:27:47,270 --> 02:27:44,880
and they're not accessing and you need

3893
02:27:49,030 --> 02:27:47,280
it coordinated where the the people who

3894
02:27:50,630 --> 02:27:49,040
are supposed to be handling this stuff

3895
02:27:52,070 --> 02:27:50,640
like the secretary of defense is

3896
02:27:54,389 --> 02:27:52,080
actually doing his job that's what

3897
02:27:55,670 --> 02:27:54,399
they're trying to do is is get it back

3898
02:27:56,870 --> 02:27:55,680
under control because that was the whole

3899
02:27:58,389 --> 02:27:56,880
thing with the wilson league if you

3900
02:28:00,309 --> 02:27:58,399
remember the wilson league if the wilson

3901
02:28:02,469 --> 02:28:00,319
league is right if that is a legitimate

3902
02:28:04,389 --> 02:28:02,479
document that's bad news where you have

3903
02:28:05,510 --> 02:28:04,399
these high-level you know head of

3904
02:28:07,110 --> 02:28:05,520
intelligence to the joint chiefs of

3905
02:28:08,230 --> 02:28:07,120
staff doesn't what's going on and he

3906
02:28:10,389 --> 02:28:08,240
tries to figure out what's going on and

3907
02:28:12,230 --> 02:28:10,399
they say we'll pull a star you back off

3908
02:28:14,230 --> 02:28:12,240
or you're not going to get promoted

3909
02:28:15,990 --> 02:28:14,240
that's what the whole deal is is to get

3910
02:28:17,830 --> 02:28:16,000
it back under control that it's

3911
02:28:20,790 --> 02:28:17,840
government of the people for the people

3912
02:28:22,790 --> 02:28:20,800
by the people and it's it's gone to

3913
02:28:25,349 --> 02:28:22,800
the contractors and and people running

3914
02:28:27,190 --> 02:28:25,359
or when even with uh the story with dick

3915
02:28:28,950 --> 02:28:27,200
demato if you know the story uh the

3916
02:28:30,630 --> 02:28:28,960
senate appropriations committee byrd was

3917
02:28:32,790 --> 02:28:30,640
very interested in ufos and he sends

3918
02:28:34,950 --> 02:28:32,800
dick tomato to area 51 and that's when

3919
02:28:37,349 --> 02:28:34,960
he goes to jesse marcel and he says he

3920
02:28:39,030 --> 02:28:37,359
touches the the the book by whitley

3921
02:28:40,550 --> 02:28:39,040
street majestic and he said i just want

3922
02:28:42,870 --> 02:28:40,560
to let you know this stuff is true

3923
02:28:44,630 --> 02:28:42,880
there's a deep agency there's people who

3924
02:28:45,990 --> 02:28:44,640
have all the money and i'm just here to

3925
02:28:47,910 --> 02:28:46,000
find out how much the security is

3926
02:28:49,590 --> 02:28:47,920
costing and he was furious and he's been

3927
02:28:51,429 --> 02:28:49,600
furious to this day he still won't talk

3928
02:28:53,590 --> 02:28:51,439
about it but he knows that all this was

3929
02:28:54,710 --> 02:28:53,600
being run off the books and what well i

3930
02:28:56,389 --> 02:28:54,720
think what you're what you're trying to

3931
02:28:58,469 --> 02:28:56,399
do here whether it's danny sheen or

3932
02:29:00,309 --> 02:28:58,479
elizondo is get it back on the books so

3933
02:29:02,230 --> 02:29:00,319
it's under control of the people who are

3934
02:29:04,309 --> 02:29:02,240
paying for it through their taxes i want

3935
02:29:06,630 --> 02:29:04,319
to do some overtime with you grant

3936
02:29:08,309 --> 02:29:06,640
you're not you're not going to bed you

3937
02:29:11,349 --> 02:29:08,319
thought you thought you were getting off

3938
02:29:14,309 --> 02:29:11,359
easy it's our 1500th show so we've got

3939
02:29:16,870 --> 02:29:14,319
to have a 1500th overtime

3940
02:29:19,270 --> 02:29:16,880
with grant cameron uh too much too much

3941
02:29:20,150 --> 02:29:19,280
to follow up on i'm your host jimmy

3942
02:29:21,830 --> 02:29:20,160
church

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this is fade to black on the game

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02:33:35,990 --> 02:33:32,110
wow what a show tonight

4010
02:33:37,510 --> 02:33:36,000
1500 down tomorrow's 1501. i don't have

4011
02:33:38,870 --> 02:33:37,520
to mention this again for another two

4012
02:33:41,990 --> 02:33:38,880
and a half years

4013
02:33:43,990 --> 02:33:42,000
uh until we get to 2000. and our guest

4014
02:33:45,670 --> 02:33:44,000
tonight celebrating with us is uh grant

4015
02:33:47,030 --> 02:33:45,680
cameron coming to us from the great

4016
02:33:49,830 --> 02:33:47,040
white north

4017
02:33:51,830 --> 02:33:49,840
and uh now i wanted to ask you this

4018
02:33:54,309 --> 02:33:51,840
grant and and and

4019
02:33:56,710 --> 02:33:54,319
and when we get into overtime i i like

4020
02:34:00,630 --> 02:33:56,720
to loosen up a little bit and and and

4021
02:34:03,910 --> 02:34:00,640
and kind of uh go into another direction

4022
02:34:06,630 --> 02:34:03,920
um and and not be so serious but

4023
02:34:09,429 --> 02:34:06,640
but this is kind of a serious question

4024
02:34:12,230 --> 02:34:09,439
if we look at uh you brought up john

4025
02:34:14,630 --> 02:34:12,240
alexander tonight and and you know paul

4026
02:34:16,950 --> 02:34:14,640
hellyer's no longer with us but if we if

4027
02:34:18,070 --> 02:34:16,960
we take a look at

4028
02:34:20,710 --> 02:34:18,080
um

4029
02:34:23,110 --> 02:34:20,720
some of the old-timers who are now

4030
02:34:24,870 --> 02:34:23,120
officially old-timers much older than

4031
02:34:28,150 --> 02:34:24,880
you or i

4032
02:34:31,590 --> 02:34:28,160
uh john alexander hal put off kid green

4033
02:34:33,830 --> 02:34:31,600
semi-van uh uh and the rest there's a

4034
02:34:35,590 --> 02:34:33,840
whole long list of you know the nids and

4035
02:34:36,389 --> 02:34:35,600
the bass crew and all of

4036
02:34:39,110 --> 02:34:36,399
the

4037
02:34:41,750 --> 02:34:39,120
uh

4038
02:34:43,670 --> 02:34:41,760
and

4039
02:34:47,349 --> 02:34:43,680
this torch

4040
02:34:51,190 --> 02:34:47,359
is now actively being passed

4041
02:34:52,710 --> 02:34:51,200
and and that's it and we have a new

4042
02:34:55,110 --> 02:34:52,720
generation

4043
02:34:57,349 --> 02:34:55,120
that is is taking things over like it

4044
02:35:00,550 --> 02:34:57,359
happens with everything over the years

4045
02:35:02,630 --> 02:35:00,560
right um how influential

4046
02:35:06,389 --> 02:35:02,640
uh today do you think somebody like john

4047
02:35:09,830 --> 02:35:06,399
alexander or or put off or kit green

4048
02:35:12,870 --> 02:35:09,840
or semi-van um uh and you have a long

4049
02:35:15,030 --> 02:35:12,880
list that you can add to to the

4050
02:35:17,429 --> 02:35:15,040
how influential are they today

4051
02:35:19,030 --> 02:35:17,439
probably not much

4052
02:35:20,790 --> 02:35:19,040
and and

4053
02:35:22,950 --> 02:35:20,800
things are going to phase out and go

4054
02:35:24,469 --> 02:35:22,960
into another direction very quickly

4055
02:35:26,550 --> 02:35:24,479
don't you think

4056
02:35:28,710 --> 02:35:26,560
well i think john alexander may not be

4057
02:35:30,630 --> 02:35:28,720
doing as much but i think he'll put off

4058
02:35:32,070 --> 02:35:30,640
is still it's the old thing it's like he

4059
02:35:33,590 --> 02:35:32,080
gets in your blood you go down the

4060
02:35:35,750 --> 02:35:33,600
rabbit hole he's still trying to figure

4061
02:35:36,710 --> 02:35:35,760
this out i think he may be behind a lot

4062
02:35:38,710 --> 02:35:36,720
of this

4063
02:35:40,469 --> 02:35:38,720
uh movement because if you know the the

4064
02:35:43,030 --> 02:35:40,479
story that alexander this is my

4065
02:35:45,429 --> 02:35:43,040
understanding maybe not 100 accurate but

4066
02:35:46,790 --> 02:35:45,439
alexander was resigned in the morning

4067
02:35:48,309 --> 02:35:46,800
and in the afternoon was the meeting

4068
02:35:49,830 --> 02:35:48,319
with the new york times it was almost

4069
02:35:52,830 --> 02:35:49,840
like it was planned and in that meeting

4070
02:35:55,830 --> 02:35:52,840
was held put off in that meeting with uh

4071
02:35:57,349 --> 02:35:55,840
semi-van uh and um there was a

4072
02:35:58,950 --> 02:35:57,359
contractor so i'm not doing sure the

4073
02:36:00,790 --> 02:35:58,960
contractor was but there was a bunch of

4074
02:36:02,870 --> 02:36:00,800
people so i think hell put off and

4075
02:36:04,469 --> 02:36:02,880
people like that uh work behind but they

4076
02:36:05,510 --> 02:36:04,479
all work in in the

4077
02:36:13,830 --> 02:36:05,520
um

4078
02:36:15,590 --> 02:36:13,840
kit green with this is this study that

4079
02:36:17,110 --> 02:36:15,600
he's probably still doing to study with

4080
02:36:18,469 --> 02:36:17,120
with the injuries so he's putting his

4081
02:36:20,389 --> 02:36:18,479
little thing in there they're all

4082
02:36:21,270 --> 02:36:20,399
contractors but i think they're all

4083
02:36:22,870 --> 02:36:21,280
still

4084
02:36:24,070 --> 02:36:22,880
very very busy at trying to figure this

4085
02:36:25,429 --> 02:36:24,080
thing out because they're not really

4086
02:36:26,950 --> 02:36:25,439
doing it anymore for money they're just

4087
02:36:28,070 --> 02:36:26,960
trying to figure this thing out and you

4088
02:36:29,750 --> 02:36:28,080
have some people that are going to take

4089
02:36:31,910 --> 02:36:29,760
over you have like eric davis who's

4090
02:36:34,309 --> 02:36:31,920
probably the sharpest guy i've ever come

4091
02:36:37,030 --> 02:36:34,319
across i knew him fairly well 20 years

4092
02:36:39,429 --> 02:36:37,040
ago i dealt with him a very very sharp

4093
02:36:41,670 --> 02:36:39,439
guy and you have this whole group that

4094
02:36:44,070 --> 02:36:41,680
again it comes to the secrecy thing that

4095
02:36:46,790 --> 02:36:44,080
you know the the they call it the cosmic

4096
02:36:49,590 --> 02:36:46,800
club or the um the invisible college

4097
02:36:51,910 --> 02:36:49,600
with diane pasalka and all the people

4098
02:36:53,190 --> 02:36:51,920
that are in there cripel and all those

4099
02:36:55,110 --> 02:36:53,200
there's a whole bunch of people in there

4100
02:36:56,309 --> 02:36:55,120
but we just don't know who they are uh

4101
02:36:58,870 --> 02:36:56,319
tyler d

4102
02:37:01,590 --> 02:36:58,880
uh is is not he's not a young guy but

4103
02:37:03,349 --> 02:37:01,600
he's uh fairly active i think a lot of

4104
02:37:04,630 --> 02:37:03,359
these people we don't know them as much

4105
02:37:07,349 --> 02:37:04,640
because they're

4106
02:37:09,510 --> 02:37:07,359
more in the in the sort of the uh

4107
02:37:11,190 --> 02:37:09,520
staying in the in the background

4108
02:37:12,790 --> 02:37:11,200
whereas hell put off and these guys were

4109
02:37:14,230 --> 02:37:12,800
very open because they were doing the

4110
02:37:16,070 --> 02:37:14,240
remote viewing program but i would say

4111
02:37:18,550 --> 02:37:16,080
that most of those people

4112
02:37:20,070 --> 02:37:18,560
uh jacques valet is in his 80s he just

4113
02:37:21,910 --> 02:37:20,080
put on another book

4114
02:37:23,990 --> 02:37:21,920
uh he's still pretty active i don't

4115
02:37:26,309 --> 02:37:24,000
think and because to them it's a game

4116
02:37:28,230 --> 02:37:26,319
and and i i had this before i i talked

4117
02:37:29,910 --> 02:37:28,240
about the um i think i was one of the

4118
02:37:33,030 --> 02:37:29,920
first people to put up the name for the

4119
02:37:34,950 --> 02:37:33,040
for the avery and i actually sent to

4120
02:37:36,630 --> 02:37:34,960
ross i sent a um

4121
02:37:38,389 --> 02:37:36,640
uh to show him he was talking about why

4122
02:37:39,830 --> 02:37:38,399
is the secrecy taking place and i said

4123
02:37:41,270 --> 02:37:39,840
well you got to realize that these these

4124
02:37:45,750 --> 02:37:41,280
guys are trying to figure it out and i

4125
02:37:47,270 --> 02:37:45,760
sent him a list of uh in the early 20th

4126
02:37:49,510 --> 02:37:47,280
21st century they were trying to figure

4127
02:37:51,110 --> 02:37:49,520
out the holloman air force base film and

4128
02:37:53,750 --> 02:37:51,120
what it was was all these guys asking

4129
02:37:56,710 --> 02:37:53,760
questions so there was hell put off uh

4130
02:37:58,150 --> 02:37:56,720
jacques valet eric davis uh all these

4131
02:38:00,550 --> 02:37:58,160
people and they had this list of all

4132
02:38:03,270 --> 02:38:00,560
these questions about uh holman air

4133
02:38:05,110 --> 02:38:03,280
force base uh paul shardle they were

4134
02:38:06,469 --> 02:38:05,120
having an interview with coleman and

4135
02:38:08,230 --> 02:38:06,479
they all still work together that was

4136
02:38:09,750 --> 02:38:08,240
the whole idea behind the avery is

4137
02:38:11,510 --> 02:38:09,760
because they can trust each other they

4138
02:38:13,349 --> 02:38:11,520
know they're talking behind the scenes

4139
02:38:15,190 --> 02:38:13,359
they're all trying to figure it out so i

4140
02:38:17,030 --> 02:38:15,200
think these guys until they drop over

4141
02:38:19,670 --> 02:38:17,040
dead i think these guys will never stop

4142
02:38:21,190 --> 02:38:19,680
the the main players uh but i think

4143
02:38:22,870 --> 02:38:21,200
there are people coming from behind the

4144
02:38:25,429 --> 02:38:22,880
scene the only one i know for sure

4145
02:38:28,469 --> 02:38:25,439
that's open is is eric davis and maybe

4146
02:38:30,790 --> 02:38:28,479
kreipel but diane pasalka indicates

4147
02:38:33,590 --> 02:38:30,800
there's a lot of people uh jim semivans

4148
02:38:35,429 --> 02:38:33,600
said told linda melinda leslie over 50

4149
02:38:37,270 --> 02:38:35,439
people so there's a lot of people that

4150
02:38:38,469 --> 02:38:37,280
are working in the background and people

4151
02:38:40,790 --> 02:38:38,479
don't understand why they want to do

4152
02:38:43,349 --> 02:38:40,800
secrecy and and again it has to do with

4153
02:38:44,309 --> 02:38:43,359
your security clearance or the one said

4154
02:38:46,230 --> 02:38:44,319
if

4155
02:38:47,830 --> 02:38:46,240
could you ask i think dolan told the

4156
02:38:49,429 --> 02:38:47,840
story could you tell us through the 12

4157
02:38:50,870 --> 02:38:49,439
guys who are running it yeah i could

4158
02:38:52,630 --> 02:38:50,880
probably tell you but then you go to the

4159
02:38:54,389 --> 02:38:52,640
new york times i'd have to deny it and

4160
02:38:55,190 --> 02:38:54,399
nobody would ever talk to me again so

4161
02:38:56,710 --> 02:38:55,200
they're all going to stay in the

4162
02:38:58,870 --> 02:38:56,720
background they're not going to talk or

4163
02:39:01,590 --> 02:38:58,880
if you've got a patent because uh if you

4164
02:39:03,110 --> 02:39:01,600
know tyler d had the patent that made a

4165
02:39:04,469 --> 02:39:03,120
lot of money on the one patent that he

4166
02:39:06,870 --> 02:39:04,479
believed he got from from the

4167
02:39:08,790 --> 02:39:06,880
intelligence and so patents are worth a

4168
02:39:10,070 --> 02:39:08,800
lot of money so the if you're a

4169
02:39:12,550 --> 02:39:10,080
scientist working on the very edge of

4170
02:39:14,230 --> 02:39:12,560
this thing and the technology are you

4171
02:39:16,070 --> 02:39:14,240
going to give up what you've got and put

4172
02:39:18,230 --> 02:39:16,080
it into the public before you file a

4173
02:39:20,550 --> 02:39:18,240
patent there's a lot of money if you can

4174
02:39:22,710 --> 02:39:20,560
crack any of these things uh these

4175
02:39:23,429 --> 02:39:22,720
pieces of technology involve with ufos

4176
02:39:25,590 --> 02:39:23,439
and you've got gotta remember these

4177
02:39:27,830 --> 02:39:25,600
people behind the scenes it's gonna all

4178
02:39:30,309 --> 02:39:27,840
be about the money and getting patents

4179
02:39:31,270 --> 02:39:30,319
and as well as the classification so a

4180
02:39:33,190 --> 02:39:31,280
lot of these people i think there's a

4181
02:39:35,990 --> 02:39:33,200
lot of people behind the scenes

4182
02:39:37,510 --> 02:39:36,000
but we really don't know their names

4183
02:39:39,750 --> 02:39:37,520
um and

4184
02:39:43,590 --> 02:39:39,760
when we look at the efforts that are

4185
02:39:44,790 --> 02:39:43,600
happening right now in washington dc

4186
02:39:47,910 --> 02:39:44,800
um

4187
02:39:51,670 --> 02:39:47,920
including this this intelligent budget

4188
02:39:53,349 --> 02:39:51,680
uh that got pushed through the verbiage

4189
02:39:54,950 --> 02:39:53,359
in this

4190
02:39:56,550 --> 02:39:54,960
budget

4191
02:39:58,710 --> 02:39:56,560
is deliberate

4192
02:40:00,469 --> 02:39:58,720
but somebody crafted it

4193
02:40:03,670 --> 02:40:00,479
yeah you know that's not coming from a

4194
02:40:06,230 --> 02:40:03,680
senator that's that's coming from

4195
02:40:08,870 --> 02:40:06,240
uh somebody with knowledge of of what is

4196
02:40:10,309 --> 02:40:08,880
going on and this needs to be worded i

4197
02:40:12,230 --> 02:40:10,319
mean this

4198
02:40:14,389 --> 02:40:12,240
that budget sounds like an episode of

4199
02:40:17,670 --> 02:40:14,399
fade to black it's everything that we

4200
02:40:19,510 --> 02:40:17,680
talk about inside of this community well

4201
02:40:20,790 --> 02:40:19,520
i would guess that it's that alezando

4202
02:40:22,710 --> 02:40:20,800
because he's the one that stepped

4203
02:40:23,910 --> 02:40:22,720
forward and said we've got a problem

4204
02:40:25,990 --> 02:40:23,920
would have a big influence on this and

4205
02:40:27,349 --> 02:40:26,000
danny sheehan and that's why i said it

4206
02:40:28,950 --> 02:40:27,359
was important that danny sheehan is

4207
02:40:31,269 --> 02:40:28,960
playing the game because danny sheen

4208
02:40:33,110 --> 02:40:31,279
knows all the tricks and he knows you

4209
02:40:34,790 --> 02:40:33,120
know stalling maneuvers and stuff like

4210
02:40:36,070 --> 02:40:34,800
that and if you remember how he said he

4211
02:40:37,670 --> 02:40:36,080
they said oh we're going to look at

4212
02:40:39,750 --> 02:40:37,680
procedures or whatever city that's fine

4213
02:40:41,830 --> 02:40:39,760
but we want an investigation and he's

4214
02:40:43,269 --> 02:40:41,840
going to push to get it and and get it

4215
02:40:45,030 --> 02:40:43,279
exactly the way he wants spelled out so

4216
02:40:46,150 --> 02:40:45,040
i think uh there's probably a lot of

4217
02:40:48,870 --> 02:40:46,160
people i didn't put but i would say

4218
02:40:50,950 --> 02:40:48,880
danny sheehan and elizondo

4219
02:40:52,870 --> 02:40:50,960
and maybe melon what is the problem the

4220
02:40:54,469 --> 02:40:52,880
problem is that we're not corresponding

4221
02:40:56,070 --> 02:40:54,479
with people we're not interacting with

4222
02:40:58,070 --> 02:40:56,080
other agencies and these are the

4223
02:41:00,550 --> 02:40:58,080
problems that elizondo saw and he

4224
02:41:02,309 --> 02:41:00,560
spelled them out to put it into law that

4225
02:41:04,309 --> 02:41:02,319
this doesn't go on anymore he realized

4226
02:41:05,830 --> 02:41:04,319
why we're not we're not unraveling this

4227
02:41:08,550 --> 02:41:05,840
problem and it was because everybody's

4228
02:41:11,349 --> 02:41:08,560
hiding the hiding the ball and and so i

4229
02:41:12,309 --> 02:41:11,359
guess my point is not i guess my point

4230
02:41:15,269 --> 02:41:12,319
is

4231
02:41:17,830 --> 02:41:15,279
that the alexanders and the the kick

4232
02:41:20,389 --> 02:41:17,840
greens of the world from the old school

4233
02:41:23,429 --> 02:41:20,399
you know from 1975

4234
02:41:25,750 --> 02:41:23,439
1980 have nothing to do with the efforts

4235
02:41:28,630 --> 02:41:25,760
that are going on right now this is is

4236
02:41:31,590 --> 02:41:28,640
being done by a whole nother generation

4237
02:41:33,349 --> 02:41:31,600
of knowledge seekers and that i think

4238
02:41:35,510 --> 02:41:33,359
that's my point

4239
02:41:38,469 --> 02:41:35,520
yeah but as i said like the el zondo the

4240
02:41:40,150 --> 02:41:38,479
original move with alexander the new

4241
02:41:40,950 --> 02:41:40,160
york times help put off was involved in

4242
02:41:44,950 --> 02:41:40,960
that

4243
02:41:46,070 --> 02:41:44,960
and um you have the uh yeah tyler d is

4244
02:41:47,830 --> 02:41:46,080
definitely

4245
02:41:50,870 --> 02:41:47,840
uh pushing there

4246
02:41:52,630 --> 02:41:50,880
as as to the the the legislation i think

4247
02:41:55,190 --> 02:41:52,640
that's going to be people that were in

4248
02:41:56,950 --> 02:41:55,200
the game like like uh melon who was in

4249
02:41:58,550 --> 02:41:56,960
there and knows all the games that are

4250
02:42:01,030 --> 02:41:58,560
played and what the problem was and the

4251
02:42:04,070 --> 02:42:01,040
problem as as you're reading it

4252
02:42:06,230 --> 02:42:04,080
from that that document is the fact that

4253
02:42:08,150 --> 02:42:06,240
we've got to get it all in one place

4254
02:42:10,790 --> 02:42:08,160
under control of of the the people who

4255
02:42:12,630 --> 02:42:10,800
are responsible for it so that we can

4256
02:42:14,389 --> 02:42:12,640
figure this thing out and get it more

4257
02:42:17,110 --> 02:42:14,399
into the white world where

4258
02:42:18,309 --> 02:42:17,120
uh it's it's done rather than a bunch of

4259
02:42:19,670 --> 02:42:18,319
uh rogue

4260
02:42:21,750 --> 02:42:19,680
contractors running off with the

4261
02:42:24,790 --> 02:42:21,760
material and not talking to each other

4262
02:42:27,269 --> 02:42:24,800
it's uh it's very interesting and

4263
02:42:30,070 --> 02:42:27,279
what do you what do you think ultimately

4264
02:42:32,870 --> 02:42:30,080
is is going to transpire

4265
02:42:35,030 --> 02:42:32,880
uh in 2022 in that

4266
02:42:37,349 --> 02:42:35,040
here we are again grant you and i talked

4267
02:42:38,830 --> 02:42:37,359
about this in 2014

4268
02:42:40,870 --> 02:42:38,840
what do you think is going to happen in

4269
02:42:41,910 --> 02:42:40,880
2015 right

4270
02:42:43,190 --> 02:42:41,920
what do you think it's going to happen

4271
02:42:43,990 --> 02:42:43,200
here we are

4272
02:42:46,710 --> 02:42:44,000
uh

4273
02:42:49,590 --> 02:42:46,720
ttsa is done it's gone

4274
02:42:52,710 --> 02:42:49,600
that didn't take uh too long three three

4275
02:42:55,830 --> 02:42:52,720
or four years and and that came and went

4276
02:42:58,070 --> 02:42:55,840
and we thought that disclosure was

4277
02:43:01,269 --> 02:42:58,080
december of 2017

4278
02:43:03,590 --> 02:43:01,279
and we're now pushing for going on five

4279
02:43:05,910 --> 02:43:03,600
years now later

4280
02:43:07,429 --> 02:43:05,920
um what do you think is going to

4281
02:43:09,429 --> 02:43:07,439
here we go what do you think is going to

4282
02:43:11,670 --> 02:43:09,439
happen in 2022

4283
02:43:13,910 --> 02:43:11,680
well i i would still maintain that that

4284
02:43:16,150 --> 02:43:13,920
one of the possibilities is that you did

4285
02:43:18,389 --> 02:43:16,160
get disclosure on december

4286
02:43:20,469 --> 02:43:18,399
2017 because that was the briefing that

4287
02:43:24,230 --> 02:43:20,479
was given to trump that was what you

4288
02:43:25,670 --> 02:43:24,240
heard is lozando saying all the uh jim

4289
02:43:28,469 --> 02:43:25,680
semivan said

4290
02:43:30,790 --> 02:43:28,479
yes ufos exist yes it's real

4291
02:43:32,469 --> 02:43:30,800
yes it's all it's all exactly but we

4292
02:43:34,950 --> 02:43:32,479
haven't got a clue what's going on we

4293
02:43:36,710 --> 02:43:34,960
don't know what it is we and so i always

4294
02:43:38,550 --> 02:43:36,720
say you can have a body because there's

4295
02:43:40,550 --> 02:43:38,560
an admission that there's one body

4296
02:43:42,309 --> 02:43:40,560
there's at least one intact craft but

4297
02:43:44,150 --> 02:43:42,319
unless that body has a passport from

4298
02:43:45,830 --> 02:43:44,160
zeta reticuli how do you know where it

4299
02:43:47,990 --> 02:43:45,840
came from because you can even take up

4300
02:43:49,750 --> 02:43:48,000
the thing with with with uh leslie kane

4301
02:43:51,510 --> 02:43:49,760
that's why i say it's way more complex

4302
02:43:53,349 --> 02:43:51,520
than people think it is and when i got

4303
02:43:54,550 --> 02:43:53,359
an interview with leslie kane one thing

4304
02:43:56,950 --> 02:43:54,560
i asked her was this thing in the

4305
02:43:58,550 --> 02:43:56,960
physical physical sales thing so if

4306
02:44:00,230 --> 02:43:58,560
she's writing about

4307
02:44:02,070 --> 02:44:00,240
ufos everybody says oh yeah she's

4308
02:44:03,190 --> 02:44:02,080
fantastic but she tells this story about

4309
02:44:05,190 --> 02:44:03,200
the hand you know the story about the

4310
02:44:07,349 --> 02:44:05,200
hand where she's in the physical sales

4311
02:44:09,110 --> 02:44:07,359
and this hand appears and it comes from

4312
02:44:10,790 --> 02:44:09,120
this sort of watery thing and it appears

4313
02:44:12,870 --> 02:44:10,800
and she touches it and it's real and she

4314
02:44:14,630 --> 02:44:12,880
can feel the knuckles and then it it

4315
02:44:16,150 --> 02:44:14,640
bangs on the table and goes back where

4316
02:44:18,469 --> 02:44:16,160
it came from and that's what we're

4317
02:44:20,070 --> 02:44:18,479
looking at i think is this idea that we

4318
02:44:22,070 --> 02:44:20,080
yeah we're going to have more of the

4319
02:44:23,670 --> 02:44:22,080
thing where yeah this is for real yeah

4320
02:44:25,670 --> 02:44:23,680
we're having all these sightings but in

4321
02:44:28,070 --> 02:44:25,680
terms of of disclosure we may have got

4322
02:44:29,830 --> 02:44:28,080
disclosure that what semi-van says this

4323
02:44:31,670 --> 02:44:29,840
has got to do with consciousness this

4324
02:44:33,190 --> 02:44:31,680
has got to do with interdimensionality i

4325
02:44:35,110 --> 02:44:33,200
don't think i'll ever see how this thing

4326
02:44:37,510 --> 02:44:35,120
how do you describe anything when there

4327
02:44:39,349 --> 02:44:37,520
does not appear appear to be any there

4328
02:44:41,510 --> 02:44:39,359
there and you gotta remember semi-van

4329
02:44:43,670 --> 02:44:41,520
was face to face with beings in his

4330
02:44:45,269 --> 02:44:43,680
bedroom he and he said his reality was

4331
02:44:46,950 --> 02:44:45,279
shattered and that's where i think the

4332
02:44:48,710 --> 02:44:46,960
the downfall is going to come is people

4333
02:44:49,990 --> 02:44:48,720
think they're going to say and and

4334
02:44:51,429 --> 02:44:50,000
you'll hear this thing people say i want

4335
02:44:53,110 --> 02:44:51,439
disclosure and what they mean by

4336
02:44:55,030 --> 02:44:53,120
disclosure is i want you to tell me what

4337
02:44:57,670 --> 02:44:55,040
i actually believe the reptilians are

4338
02:45:00,230 --> 02:44:57,680
raping women or whatever your idea is

4339
02:45:01,670 --> 02:45:00,240
and the disclosure may simply be yes

4340
02:45:03,510 --> 02:45:01,680
this is for real

4341
02:45:05,990 --> 02:45:03,520
and we haven't got a clue this thing is

4342
02:45:07,990 --> 02:45:06,000
way above us we we are what they call

4343
02:45:10,389 --> 02:45:08,000
the core story so hal put off

4344
02:45:11,750 --> 02:45:10,399
jacques valet and and kit green got

4345
02:45:14,230 --> 02:45:11,760
together in the denny's restaurant and i

4346
02:45:16,070 --> 02:45:14,240
asked uh put off about this is this

4347
02:45:18,870 --> 02:45:16,080
story true he said yes the story is true

4348
02:45:20,870 --> 02:45:18,880
and the core story is yes we are being

4349
02:45:23,510 --> 02:45:20,880
interacted by some sort of intelligence

4350
02:45:25,750 --> 02:45:23,520
yes we have hardware and we have not

4351
02:45:27,910 --> 02:45:25,760
been able to back engineer it eric davis

4352
02:45:31,110 --> 02:45:27,920
has said that that may be disclosure yes

4353
02:45:33,190 --> 02:45:31,120
we ufos are real it's hard it's it's got

4354
02:45:35,510 --> 02:45:33,200
metal it's got bodies all this kind of

4355
02:45:36,950 --> 02:45:35,520
stuff but we really don't know for sure

4356
02:45:38,790 --> 02:45:36,960
where it's actually coming from and

4357
02:45:41,110 --> 02:45:38,800
what's going on even elizondo at the one

4358
02:45:42,710 --> 02:45:41,120
point that we there was a an experiencer

4359
02:45:44,070 --> 02:45:42,720
contacted me from israel and he said did

4360
02:45:45,990 --> 02:45:44,080
you see what alessandro said i said yeah

4361
02:45:47,990 --> 02:45:46,000
i saw what he said we did a podcast on

4362
02:45:50,309 --> 02:45:48,000
so elizondo was asked is it onward or

4363
02:45:51,910 --> 02:45:50,319
off world he said well hang on there's

4364
02:45:53,990 --> 02:45:51,920
other possibilities and he goes down the

4365
02:45:55,910 --> 02:45:54,000
rabbit hole of this other thing that's i

4366
02:45:57,590 --> 02:45:55,920
think where they're going is it may not

4367
02:45:59,590 --> 02:45:57,600
be as physical as people think it is

4368
02:46:01,349 --> 02:45:59,600
it's as i say it's a thousand times more

4369
02:46:03,269 --> 02:46:01,359
complex than people think it is it's not

4370
02:46:05,269 --> 02:46:03,279
going to be simply these are ets that

4371
02:46:06,550 --> 02:46:05,279
came in from zeta articulate got lost or

4372
02:46:08,309 --> 02:46:06,560
whatever it's going to be way more

4373
02:46:10,230 --> 02:46:08,319
complex and i don't think they're going

4374
02:46:12,070 --> 02:46:10,240
to release what they've got until

4375
02:46:13,670 --> 02:46:12,080
they're sure but i think they're a long

4376
02:46:14,710 --> 02:46:13,680
way away they know yeah they've got the

4377
02:46:16,950 --> 02:46:14,720
hardware they've got all this kind of

4378
02:46:18,870 --> 02:46:16,960
stuff but a piece of metal you're not

4379
02:46:21,110 --> 02:46:18,880
going to build a flying saucer from a

4380
02:46:22,710 --> 02:46:21,120
piece of metal or whatever that they're

4381
02:46:24,150 --> 02:46:22,720
going to give the impression yeah we're

4382
02:46:25,269 --> 02:46:24,160
5 billion dollars give us five billion

4383
02:46:26,550 --> 02:46:25,279
dollars we'll solve this thing we're on

4384
02:46:27,990 --> 02:46:26,560
the very edge but you're going to do

4385
02:46:29,750 --> 02:46:28,000
that for a cured cancer we got to cure

4386
02:46:31,269 --> 02:46:29,760
cancer we got all figured out we're at

4387
02:46:32,550 --> 02:46:31,279
the very edge i don't think they're at

4388
02:46:34,150 --> 02:46:32,560
the very edge i think it's like what

4389
02:46:35,750 --> 02:46:34,160
donald trump was told they showed me

4390
02:46:37,269 --> 02:46:35,760
these videos they said these videos are

4391
02:46:39,349 --> 02:46:37,279
real i looked at them they're very

4392
02:46:40,870 --> 02:46:39,359
impressive but i don't believe and that

4393
02:46:42,870 --> 02:46:40,880
maybe because they told them we don't

4394
02:46:45,190 --> 02:46:42,880
really know what it is and you hear this

4395
02:46:46,870 --> 02:46:45,200
over and over again this this fact that

4396
02:46:49,030 --> 02:46:46,880
we may know a lot less than what we

4397
02:46:50,950 --> 02:46:49,040
think we've got the hardware bodies all

4398
02:46:53,030 --> 02:46:50,960
that kind of stuff but in terms of them

4399
02:46:54,150 --> 02:46:53,040
coming out and saying yes it's uh

4400
02:46:55,670 --> 02:46:54,160
extraterrestrial or it's

4401
02:46:57,910 --> 02:46:55,680
interdimensional or whatever the one

4402
02:46:59,269 --> 02:46:57,920
thing i did and i had from and i tried

4403
02:47:01,990 --> 02:46:59,279
to get if you ever get them on the show

4404
02:47:04,309 --> 02:47:02,000
i pushed him on it and that was um brian

4405
02:47:06,389 --> 02:47:04,319
bender from politico who said that there

4406
02:47:08,030 --> 02:47:06,399
was a study by the done by the

4407
02:47:10,469 --> 02:47:08,040
department of defense on

4408
02:47:12,309 --> 02:47:10,479
interdimensionality of these objects and

4409
02:47:15,510 --> 02:47:12,319
that they had come to this idea that

4410
02:47:17,269 --> 02:47:15,520
perhaps it's just it's from here it's

4411
02:47:19,110 --> 02:47:17,279
just a different here and that was

4412
02:47:21,030 --> 02:47:19,120
significant to me and again it indicated

4413
02:47:22,309 --> 02:47:21,040
there's another program and i don't know

4414
02:47:24,230 --> 02:47:22,319
who's the contractor but they had

4415
02:47:25,990 --> 02:47:24,240
actually looked at that idea the same as

4416
02:47:28,230 --> 02:47:26,000
they looked at the injuries the whole

4417
02:47:30,070 --> 02:47:28,240
thing with the with kit green and nolan

4418
02:47:31,429 --> 02:47:30,080
working on experiencers that there's

4419
02:47:32,790 --> 02:47:31,439
these other programs we're not hearing

4420
02:47:34,790 --> 02:47:32,800
about the same as we're not hearing

4421
02:47:36,630 --> 02:47:34,800
about the program of skinwalker ranch

4422
02:47:38,870 --> 02:47:36,640
because the skinny walker ranch is the

4423
02:47:40,550 --> 02:47:38,880
the higher element ufos is one thing but

4424
02:47:41,990 --> 02:47:40,560
when you get skin rocker ranch you get

4425
02:47:43,750 --> 02:47:42,000
the whole paranormal thing how does

4426
02:47:45,670 --> 02:47:43,760
telepathy work how do you put stuff

4427
02:47:47,030 --> 02:47:45,680
through metal how do you how do you pop

4428
02:47:48,309 --> 02:47:47,040
in and pop out that's what kate green

4429
02:47:50,550 --> 02:47:48,319
said we're trying to figure out how do

4430
02:47:51,670 --> 02:47:50,560
they pop in and pop out it says very

4431
02:47:54,070 --> 02:47:51,680
complex

4432
02:47:56,070 --> 02:47:54,080
elements that are way more than just

4433
02:47:57,190 --> 02:47:56,080
et's are here or whatever it is that

4434
02:47:58,150 --> 02:47:57,200
they're trying to figure out and i don't

4435
02:47:59,750 --> 02:47:58,160
think they're going to put their cards

4436
02:48:01,269 --> 02:47:59,760
on the table because you mentioned they

4437
02:48:02,870 --> 02:48:01,279
want to know what does russia know what

4438
02:48:05,190 --> 02:48:02,880
does china know have they figured out

4439
02:48:07,110 --> 02:48:05,200
because if you it's a game of cards if

4440
02:48:08,950 --> 02:48:07,120
you put your cards on the table and the

4441
02:48:10,790 --> 02:48:08,960
russians go thank you you give me the

4442
02:48:12,630 --> 02:48:10,800
card i want we're no longer going to

4443
02:48:14,630 --> 02:48:12,640
disclose you give them the card they

4444
02:48:15,830 --> 02:48:14,640
need it's a game of cards you're not

4445
02:48:17,670 --> 02:48:15,840
going to put your cards on the table

4446
02:48:19,429 --> 02:48:17,680
until you've got the technology in the

4447
02:48:21,110 --> 02:48:19,439
bag you can't because you don't know

4448
02:48:22,710 --> 02:48:21,120
what your adversary has because they're

4449
02:48:23,910 --> 02:48:22,720
all working on the same problem and you

4450
02:48:26,469 --> 02:48:23,920
may just give them the piece that

4451
02:48:29,670 --> 02:48:26,479
they're looking for well i i think it's

4452
02:48:30,790 --> 02:48:29,680
it's actually more like a shell game

4453
02:48:32,870 --> 02:48:30,800
in that

4454
02:48:36,230 --> 02:48:32,880
the shells are being moved around and

4455
02:48:37,990 --> 02:48:36,240
you're being told that we don't know

4456
02:48:39,349 --> 02:48:38,000
you know what's underneath these shells

4457
02:48:43,110 --> 02:48:39,359
but the person

4458
02:48:46,070 --> 02:48:43,120
running that game knows exactly

4459
02:48:48,950 --> 02:48:46,080
which shell is got the secrets

4460
02:48:51,910 --> 02:48:48,960
and and that's what i think is is more

4461
02:48:55,190 --> 02:48:51,920
uh uh closer to what we're dealing with

4462
02:48:57,590 --> 02:48:55,200
because to say that we don't know

4463
02:49:01,670 --> 02:48:57,600
but yet you have

4464
02:49:03,990 --> 02:49:01,680
a crash retrieval flying saucer in

4465
02:49:05,590 --> 02:49:04,000
in in your possession

4466
02:49:07,990 --> 02:49:05,600
that's e.t

4467
02:49:09,830 --> 02:49:08,000
you know or

4468
02:49:11,429 --> 02:49:09,840
let me finish though

4469
02:49:16,630 --> 02:49:11,439
it's not us

4470
02:49:17,750 --> 02:49:16,640
you can't say that you don't know

4471
02:49:19,349 --> 02:49:17,760
nothing

4472
02:49:20,070 --> 02:49:19,359
oh no they know stuff but they don't

4473
02:49:24,230 --> 02:49:20,080
know

4474
02:49:26,150 --> 02:49:24,240
it is so you've got a craft and as i've

4475
02:49:27,510 --> 02:49:26,160
got 50 people one of the things i do is

4476
02:49:29,269 --> 02:49:27,520
the consciousness thing i've got 50

4477
02:49:31,110 --> 02:49:29,279
people who have flown the craft they all

4478
02:49:33,190 --> 02:49:31,120
say exactly the same thing you put your

4479
02:49:35,110 --> 02:49:33,200
hand on a panel you become one with the

4480
02:49:36,309 --> 02:49:35,120
craft the craft is alive whatever you

4481
02:49:38,070 --> 02:49:36,319
think is what the craft does this

4482
02:49:39,670 --> 02:49:38,080
consciousness connection so if you've

4483
02:49:41,349 --> 02:49:39,680
got a craft that's intact that's what's

4484
02:49:43,269 --> 02:49:41,359
in the wilson league document we have a

4485
02:49:45,269 --> 02:49:43,279
craft we think it can fly what does that

4486
02:49:46,550 --> 02:49:45,279
mean it means we've got a craft that we

4487
02:49:48,150 --> 02:49:46,560
cannot turn on because you need a

4488
02:49:50,469 --> 02:49:48,160
consciousness it's like putting your

4489
02:49:52,469 --> 02:49:50,479
fingerprint on your cell phone you need

4490
02:49:53,590 --> 02:49:52,479
the consciousness to turn it on so just

4491
02:49:56,230 --> 02:49:53,600
because you've got the craft doesn't

4492
02:49:57,670 --> 02:49:56,240
mean you can make it propel it do eric

4493
02:49:59,429 --> 02:49:57,680
davis talked about this he talked when

4494
02:50:01,510 --> 02:49:59,439
he put down lazar he said the guy's full

4495
02:50:03,910 --> 02:50:01,520
of it the stuff isn't even at area 51

4496
02:50:05,349 --> 02:50:03,920
and they shut the program down in 1989.

4497
02:50:06,870 --> 02:50:05,359
why would they shut the program down and

4498
02:50:08,309 --> 02:50:06,880
you hear this thing every seven or eight

4499
02:50:09,830 --> 02:50:08,319
years to bring the program back up

4500
02:50:11,750 --> 02:50:09,840
because it's so far beyond what we've

4501
02:50:13,190 --> 02:50:11,760
got so yeah you've got pieces of metal

4502
02:50:15,030 --> 02:50:13,200
you've got all these crafts you've got

4503
02:50:16,630 --> 02:50:15,040
all this bodies and stuff like that but

4504
02:50:19,110 --> 02:50:16,640
in terms of figuring out exactly how

4505
02:50:20,309 --> 02:50:19,120
this all fit together because

4506
02:50:21,910 --> 02:50:20,319
you hear it over and over again they're

4507
02:50:22,950 --> 02:50:21,920
all saying the same thing

4508
02:50:25,190 --> 02:50:22,960
and i don't think they're lying i don't

4509
02:50:26,870 --> 02:50:25,200
think alexander's lying or semi-van when

4510
02:50:28,630 --> 02:50:26,880
semivan says you know how do you

4511
02:50:30,870 --> 02:50:28,640
describe it when there's no there there

4512
02:50:32,630 --> 02:50:30,880
or you're you're interviewed 2016

4513
02:50:34,389 --> 02:50:32,640
interview with tom delong tom delong

4514
02:50:35,990 --> 02:50:34,399
says he's talking to the head scientist

4515
02:50:38,550 --> 02:50:36,000
at lockheed and he says to the head

4516
02:50:39,990 --> 02:50:38,560
scientist he said lockheed guy says so

4517
02:50:41,510 --> 02:50:40,000
tell me what's what's what's going on

4518
02:50:42,710 --> 02:50:41,520
how did it get here and he said oh i

4519
02:50:44,630 --> 02:50:42,720
think consciousness is involved because

4520
02:50:46,630 --> 02:50:44,640
he was hanging out with greer so i think

4521
02:50:48,550 --> 02:50:46,640
conscious involved and he said this head

4522
02:50:50,309 --> 02:50:48,560
scientist said now you're talking and

4523
02:50:52,230 --> 02:50:50,319
all they wanted to talk about was for 45

4524
02:50:53,670 --> 02:50:52,240
minutes was consciousness so yeah they

4525
02:50:55,510 --> 02:50:53,680
know consciousness is involved they know

4526
02:50:57,510 --> 02:50:55,520
these disconnections but in terms of

4527
02:50:59,510 --> 02:50:57,520
figuring out i don't think they i think

4528
02:51:01,110 --> 02:50:59,520
they're way farther behind than what we

4529
02:51:02,870 --> 02:51:01,120
think and that's what jack valet

4530
02:51:05,510 --> 02:51:02,880
confirmed was this the what's called the

4531
02:51:07,670 --> 02:51:05,520
core story we have the core bit that yes

4532
02:51:10,389 --> 02:51:07,680
we're being interacted but they they

4533
02:51:11,510 --> 02:51:10,399
repeat that we just do not know uh how

4534
02:51:12,950 --> 02:51:11,520
this thing and that's why they're

4535
02:51:14,790 --> 02:51:12,960
they're running these studies how does

4536
02:51:16,230 --> 02:51:14,800
it that's what we said to to burrow it's

4537
02:51:18,550 --> 02:51:16,240
like kit green we're trying to figure

4538
02:51:20,950 --> 02:51:18,560
out how does it pop in and pop out just

4539
02:51:22,469 --> 02:51:20,960
as quickly and i maintain there's no way

4540
02:51:23,990 --> 02:51:22,479
we have technology where you go inside

4541
02:51:26,070 --> 02:51:24,000
the craft and it's the size of a

4542
02:51:27,670 --> 02:51:26,080
football field inside the craft or we've

4543
02:51:29,269 --> 02:51:27,680
got technology where you're flying it

4544
02:51:31,030 --> 02:51:29,279
with your mind i just do not believe we

4545
02:51:32,550 --> 02:51:31,040
have that technology we know that that's

4546
02:51:35,590 --> 02:51:32,560
possible because we know that's how it

4547
02:51:37,349 --> 02:51:35,600
works but it's one thing to know how

4548
02:51:39,349 --> 02:51:37,359
the the principle but to make it

4549
02:51:40,950 --> 02:51:39,359
actually work and and get get the stuff

4550
02:51:42,790 --> 02:51:40,960
and that's why it's so highly classified

4551
02:51:44,550 --> 02:51:42,800
and that's why the skinwalker branch

4552
02:51:46,630 --> 02:51:44,560
report was not released and that's

4553
02:51:50,469 --> 02:51:46,640
because that's the real heavy duty stuff

4554
02:51:52,309 --> 02:51:50,479
is the bazaar paranormal the orbs the

4555
02:51:54,309 --> 02:51:52,319
portals and stuff like that and i

4556
02:51:56,550 --> 02:51:54,319
believe the portal thing is real i think

4557
02:51:59,510 --> 02:51:56,560
we may have some portal technology but

4558
02:52:01,429 --> 02:51:59,520
in terms of uh stuff i i just don't

4559
02:52:03,269 --> 02:52:01,439
think that it's all these guys because

4560
02:52:04,790 --> 02:52:03,279
that's what i spent my life looking at

4561
02:52:08,309 --> 02:52:04,800
was the highest level guys what are the

4562
02:52:09,190 --> 02:52:08,319
highest level guys know and i i always

4563
02:52:10,870 --> 02:52:09,200
heard

4564
02:52:13,510 --> 02:52:10,880
you know yeah this stuff's for real but

4565
02:52:15,349 --> 02:52:13,520
i've never heard anybody who actually

4566
02:52:17,990 --> 02:52:15,359
was in a position that said

4567
02:52:20,469 --> 02:52:18,000
yeah we we've we've got this stuff there

4568
02:52:22,710 --> 02:52:20,479
and and and to that point

4569
02:52:24,630 --> 02:52:22,720
you know when we look at the pandolfies

4570
02:52:26,550 --> 02:52:24,640
of the world or the semi-vans or the kid

4571
02:52:29,830 --> 02:52:26,560
greens the put offs or eric davis

4572
02:52:32,230 --> 02:52:29,840
whatever if you know their name

4573
02:52:34,469 --> 02:52:32,240
they don't know nothing

4574
02:52:36,710 --> 02:52:34,479
it it would be right

4575
02:52:38,710 --> 02:52:36,720
if you know their name

4576
02:52:39,590 --> 02:52:38,720
they don't know nothing

4577
02:52:42,550 --> 02:52:39,600
it's

4578
02:52:44,870 --> 02:52:42,560
the the people that you don't know those

4579
02:52:46,630 --> 02:52:44,880
are the ones that have the knowledge and

4580
02:52:48,309 --> 02:52:46,640
they're not in the public they're not

4581
02:52:49,910 --> 02:52:48,319
talking about it yeah well that's the

4582
02:52:51,110 --> 02:52:49,920
invisible college that's where the the

4583
02:52:52,950 --> 02:52:51,120
story where

4584
02:52:55,750 --> 02:52:52,960
tom delonge gets sent by the lockheed

4585
02:52:57,429 --> 02:52:55,760
guy to the pen to the to the outside the

4586
02:52:59,590 --> 02:52:57,439
in pentagon city where the the meeting

4587
02:53:00,870 --> 02:52:59,600
was with lester kane took place and he

4588
02:53:02,150 --> 02:53:00,880
meets this guy sitting with these two

4589
02:53:03,830 --> 02:53:02,160
guys sitting behind the desk one's the

4590
02:53:05,590 --> 02:53:03,840
lucky guy the other guy's got a beard

4591
02:53:07,349 --> 02:53:05,600
that looks like a spy and the guy says

4592
02:53:10,230 --> 02:53:07,359
this stuff does not happen on the hill

4593
02:53:11,750 --> 02:53:10,240
it does not happen uh

4594
02:53:13,670 --> 02:53:11,760
at the white house it happens when

4595
02:53:15,590 --> 02:53:13,680
people like this decide to take the

4596
02:53:16,950 --> 02:53:15,600
football and move it down the field so

4597
02:53:18,469 --> 02:53:16,960
it's this idea and that's how it's

4598
02:53:20,309 --> 02:53:18,479
worked and that's saying what alexander

4599
02:53:22,150 --> 02:53:20,319
and these guys are trying to shift it is

4600
02:53:24,870 --> 02:53:22,160
away from these guys who have run with

4601
02:53:27,030 --> 02:53:24,880
the ball and taking off in some

4602
02:53:28,230 --> 02:53:27,040
black ops thing that you can't access

4603
02:53:29,910 --> 02:53:28,240
because hell put off and all these guys

4604
02:53:31,510 --> 02:53:29,920
would like that material but they can't

4605
02:53:33,670 --> 02:53:31,520
get to it so they know that the black

4606
02:53:35,030 --> 02:53:33,680
ops have got stuff that they could use

4607
02:53:37,349 --> 02:53:35,040
and what you're trying to do is get back

4608
02:53:38,389 --> 02:53:37,359
control of it so that people who have a

4609
02:53:40,150 --> 02:53:38,399
need to know

4610
02:53:42,150 --> 02:53:40,160
can can work it because right now it's

4611
02:53:43,910 --> 02:53:42,160
not working and jack ballet pointed out

4612
02:53:45,750 --> 02:53:43,920
so the reason it hasn't worked is

4613
02:53:47,510 --> 02:53:45,760
because one piece is get you got a piece

4614
02:53:49,190 --> 02:53:47,520
you got a piece nobody's talking to each

4615
02:53:51,190 --> 02:53:49,200
other and nobody knows what anybody else

4616
02:53:52,870 --> 02:53:51,200
is doing it's this stove piping idea

4617
02:53:54,790 --> 02:53:52,880
that it's all stalled down and they're

4618
02:53:57,030 --> 02:53:54,800
trying to get it back in control where

4619
02:53:58,070 --> 02:53:57,040
it's all under one thing my big question

4620
02:53:59,670 --> 02:53:58,080
is how much of it is going to be

4621
02:54:02,150 --> 02:53:59,680
declassified i think it's still going to

4622
02:54:03,349 --> 02:54:02,160
be black ops it's like as i said we

4623
02:54:04,870 --> 02:54:03,359
can't even figure out how many pages are

4624
02:54:06,550 --> 02:54:04,880
in the report i mean how much is going

4625
02:54:07,750 --> 02:54:06,560
to be released you're going to know yeah

4626
02:54:09,030 --> 02:54:07,760
they're they're working on this stuff

4627
02:54:11,190 --> 02:54:09,040
and they've they've got these reports

4628
02:54:12,710 --> 02:54:11,200
it's going classified but what what did

4629
02:54:14,630 --> 02:54:12,720
we really learn that we didn't know a

4630
02:54:16,630 --> 02:54:14,640
couple years ago except that another

4631
02:54:18,230 --> 02:54:16,640
level of sick people are working on the

4632
02:54:19,590 --> 02:54:18,240
problem that yes it's for real and

4633
02:54:21,190 --> 02:54:19,600
people but they're not really telling us

4634
02:54:23,190 --> 02:54:21,200
how it works and i don't think we'll

4635
02:54:24,950 --> 02:54:23,200
ever really be told because it'd say

4636
02:54:26,790 --> 02:54:24,960
eric walker i'll give you we went after

4637
02:54:28,070 --> 02:54:26,800
eric walker and kit green went after him

4638
02:54:30,950 --> 02:54:28,080
because he realized how powerful this

4639
02:54:32,790 --> 02:54:30,960
guy is here's what eric walker said

4640
02:54:35,670 --> 02:54:32,800
why should we change the rules to

4641
02:54:37,830 --> 02:54:35,680
satisfy your curiosity right you're just

4642
02:54:39,510 --> 02:54:37,840
curious admit it

4643
02:54:41,110 --> 02:54:39,520
and you think you're going to find the

4644
02:54:43,510 --> 02:54:41,120
truth you're never going to get the

4645
02:54:45,269 --> 02:54:43,520
truth so leave it alone forget it and

4646
02:54:47,510 --> 02:54:45,279
that's the idea there are rules and that

4647
02:54:49,190 --> 02:54:47,520
was 1990 said that there are rules and

4648
02:54:51,429 --> 02:54:49,200
we don't care if you're curiosity that's

4649
02:54:53,349 --> 02:54:51,439
what bush said to carter curiosity is

4650
02:54:54,630 --> 02:54:53,359
not sufficient need to know who cares if

4651
02:54:56,550 --> 02:54:54,640
jimmy church and grant cameron want to

4652
02:54:58,309 --> 02:54:56,560
know we don't care we're working against

4653
02:55:00,630 --> 02:54:58,319
the russians we're trying to get this

4654
02:55:02,389 --> 02:55:00,640
and that's that's security you need a

4655
02:55:05,110 --> 02:55:02,399
sick you need a need to know

4656
02:55:07,030 --> 02:55:05,120
curiosity is not a need to know don't uh

4657
02:55:08,309 --> 02:55:07,040
and do you think that's such a great

4658
02:55:10,469 --> 02:55:08,319
point

4659
02:55:12,550 --> 02:55:10,479
do you think oh man we're out of time

4660
02:55:15,750 --> 02:55:12,560
okay we got three minutes left grant try

4661
02:55:18,469 --> 02:55:15,760
to try to squeeze i'm i plead with you

4662
02:55:20,870 --> 02:55:18,479
to get your answer in

4663
02:55:22,870 --> 02:55:20,880
is is this

4664
02:55:25,349 --> 02:55:22,880
you represe your your reputation

4665
02:55:28,630 --> 02:55:25,359
procedure you know this right okay so

4666
02:55:31,830 --> 02:55:28,640
but but it's this do you think that the

4667
02:55:35,190 --> 02:55:31,840
smoke and mirrors that is being run

4668
02:55:37,190 --> 02:55:35,200
with this lack of knowledge publicly we

4669
02:55:39,110 --> 02:55:37,200
don't know what's going on

4670
02:55:42,070 --> 02:55:39,120
it's not it's not russia it's not china

4671
02:55:44,230 --> 02:55:42,080
it's not us we have the other bin

4672
02:55:45,990 --> 02:55:44,240
is that is that focus is that written

4673
02:55:48,790 --> 02:55:46,000
for russia is that written for china is

4674
02:55:50,710 --> 02:55:48,800
that written for our adversaries

4675
02:55:52,630 --> 02:55:50,720
to say that you know what we don't know

4676
02:55:55,590 --> 02:55:52,640
what's going on because if we say the

4677
02:55:56,870 --> 02:55:55,600
opposite then we let them know that that

4678
02:55:58,389 --> 02:55:56,880
we know

4679
02:56:00,389 --> 02:55:58,399
oh yeah this well that's the part of the

4680
02:56:01,429 --> 02:56:00,399
game they're not going to say anything

4681
02:56:02,469 --> 02:56:01,439
they're not going to give you anything i

4682
02:56:03,429 --> 02:56:02,479
think what you're going to get is some

4683
02:56:06,070 --> 02:56:03,439
leaks

4684
02:56:07,910 --> 02:56:06,080
of material that's coming out but that

4685
02:56:10,389 --> 02:56:07,920
again you can't you can't

4686
02:56:11,510 --> 02:56:10,399
release anything that you know for sure

4687
02:56:13,269 --> 02:56:11,520
because you don't know what the other

4688
02:56:14,070 --> 02:56:13,279
side is doing so that that's where i'm

4689
02:56:15,750 --> 02:56:14,080
saying

4690
02:56:17,990 --> 02:56:15,760
uh anything they know for sure is going

4691
02:56:19,269 --> 02:56:18,000
to be very highly compartmentalized it

4692
02:56:21,030 --> 02:56:19,279
was the canadian said it was the most

4693
02:56:23,030 --> 02:56:21,040
highly classified subject in the united

4694
02:56:24,790 --> 02:56:23,040
states i believe it always will be the

4695
02:56:25,830 --> 02:56:24,800
most classified subject united states

4696
02:56:28,630 --> 02:56:25,840
because if you take a look at the

4697
02:56:30,309 --> 02:56:28,640
technology i mean it's beyond anything

4698
02:56:31,510 --> 02:56:30,319
you could possibly imagine and there's

4699
02:56:33,990 --> 02:56:31,520
no way you're going to put it on the

4700
02:56:36,469 --> 02:56:34,000
table and and take a chance that some

4701
02:56:38,710 --> 02:56:36,479
adversary is going to have the pieces

4702
02:56:40,550 --> 02:56:38,720
and whoever gets this rules the world

4703
02:56:42,150 --> 02:56:40,560
and it's all about ruling the world but

4704
02:56:44,309 --> 02:56:42,160
it in the end it's still not going to

4705
02:56:46,070 --> 02:56:44,319
help you win the war against the stone

4706
02:56:47,590 --> 02:56:46,080
age taliban because you can have the

4707
02:56:49,830 --> 02:56:47,600
biggest bombs in the fastest planes and

4708
02:56:51,510 --> 02:56:49,840
the best intelligence and in the end now

4709
02:56:53,349 --> 02:56:51,520
it seems like that's how you win wars

4710
02:56:54,550 --> 02:56:53,359
but you will get this technology and i

4711
02:56:57,990 --> 02:56:54,560
think what they want to do is spin the

4712
02:56:59,670 --> 02:56:58,000
technology out and uh it's all about uh

4713
02:57:01,190 --> 02:56:59,680
you know technology and money and

4714
02:57:04,309 --> 02:57:01,200
patents and that's the way it's been

4715
02:57:07,190 --> 02:57:04,319
since world war ii now you know if tic

4716
02:57:10,950 --> 02:57:07,200
tacs rained down on winnipeg

4717
02:57:12,790 --> 02:57:10,960
like they rained down on the nimitz

4718
02:57:14,630 --> 02:57:12,800
we've got a different situation here now

4719
02:57:17,269 --> 02:57:14,640
we have the public watching this and

4720
02:57:18,630 --> 02:57:17,279
witnessing this and not the military

4721
02:57:21,269 --> 02:57:18,640
and

4722
02:57:23,110 --> 02:57:21,279
that would present a different scenario

4723
02:57:25,190 --> 02:57:23,120
okay well but what i would say to that

4724
02:57:27,030 --> 02:57:25,200
is all the stuff that you're seeing and

4725
02:57:29,030 --> 02:57:27,040
i'll be talking about this uh laughlin

4726
02:57:30,950 --> 02:57:29,040
i'll be giving an online lecture but

4727
02:57:33,190 --> 02:57:30,960
what i would say is when you get the the

4728
02:57:35,590 --> 02:57:33,200
the tic tac thing on the thing you ask

4729
02:57:38,150 --> 02:57:35,600
bob bigelow bob bigelow ran

4730
02:57:40,070 --> 02:57:38,160
aesop he ran atip he was the contractor

4731
02:57:42,630 --> 02:57:40,080
and they asked him bob what was

4732
02:57:44,230 --> 02:57:42,640
skinwalker ranch all about what was you

4733
02:57:46,230 --> 02:57:44,240
ran it for years what was it about he

4734
02:57:48,389 --> 02:57:46,240
emanci answered immediately it's all

4735
02:57:50,630 --> 02:57:48,399
about messaging it's about gaming and

4736
02:57:53,110 --> 02:57:50,640
messaging all that stuff with the nimitz

4737
02:57:54,630 --> 02:57:53,120
is messaging it's them sending a message

4738
02:57:56,950 --> 02:57:54,640
that's what it's to me it's all about

4739
02:57:58,550 --> 02:57:56,960
messaging uh what are you gonna i've got

4740
02:58:00,950 --> 02:57:58,560
one minute left uh what are you gonna be

4741
02:58:02,790 --> 02:58:00,960
uh presenting at laughlin

4742
02:58:03,830 --> 02:58:02,800
i've got two books i'm gonna get into

4743
02:58:05,349 --> 02:58:03,840
some of the weird stuff because they

4744
02:58:06,630 --> 02:58:05,359
want to do consciousness i don't know if

4745
02:58:07,990 --> 02:58:06,640
jack ballet is supposed to be there but

4746
02:58:09,110 --> 02:58:08,000
i'm not sure where he's coming because

4747
02:58:11,349 --> 02:58:09,120
he's the guy that started the whole

4748
02:58:12,389 --> 02:58:11,359
thing about uh understanding reality

4749
02:58:13,670 --> 02:58:12,399
rather than going down the

4750
02:58:15,910 --> 02:58:13,680
extraterrestrial route so i'm going to

4751
02:58:17,990 --> 02:58:15,920
do the the 11 paranormal developments

4752
02:58:19,510 --> 02:58:18,000
given to mankind to save the world so i

4753
02:58:21,110 --> 02:58:19,520
look at

4754
02:58:23,269 --> 02:58:21,120
the whole thing with spirituality

4755
02:58:24,710 --> 02:58:23,279
starting with the fox sisters i look at

4756
02:58:26,790 --> 02:58:24,720
lsd i look at the invention of the

4757
02:58:28,230 --> 02:58:26,800
computer uh the invention of the

4758
02:58:30,070 --> 02:58:28,240
internet and i show you all the

4759
02:58:31,590 --> 02:58:30,080
paranormal things that people how these

4760
02:58:33,670 --> 02:58:31,600
things actually got developed that the

4761
02:58:35,269 --> 02:58:33,680
computer came in a download to some guy

4762
02:58:37,110 --> 02:58:35,279
and we think we figured these things out

4763
02:58:38,710 --> 02:58:37,120
and there's all this paranormal stuff

4764
02:58:40,469 --> 02:58:38,720
and the other thing i'm going to do is a

4765
02:58:44,150 --> 02:58:40,479
little bit of the thing what i learned

4766
02:58:45,590 --> 02:58:44,160
in the 46 years of ufo school and a lot

4767
02:58:47,429 --> 02:58:45,600
of it goes to the consciousness thing

4768
02:58:48,710 --> 02:58:47,439
that the most important part is

4769
02:58:50,389 --> 02:58:48,720
understanding reality and that's what

4770
02:58:52,710 --> 02:58:50,399
they did at skinwalker ranch wasn't

4771
02:58:54,710 --> 02:58:52,720
figuring out ufos it's figuring out how

4772
02:58:56,550 --> 02:58:54,720
does this paranormal when you anomalies

4773
02:58:57,910 --> 02:58:56,560
when you have paranormal anomalies how

4774
02:58:59,510 --> 02:58:57,920
do they work if you can figure out how

4775
02:59:01,349 --> 02:58:59,520
the anomaly works you're going to learn

4776
02:59:02,710 --> 02:59:01,359
something about how reality works and

4777
02:59:03,910 --> 02:59:02,720
that will give you all the technology

4778
02:59:06,469 --> 02:59:03,920
you want you've got to understand

4779
02:59:08,389 --> 02:59:06,479
reality not so much about the the ufo

4780
02:59:09,830 --> 02:59:08,399
thing it's how does reality actually

4781
02:59:12,070 --> 02:59:09,840
work we're making a lot of mistakes

4782
02:59:13,269 --> 02:59:12,080
about how if if we work the way we

4783
02:59:15,510 --> 02:59:13,279
thought it worked there would be no

4784
02:59:17,110 --> 02:59:15,520
anomalies ufos paranormal phenomena all

4785
02:59:18,389 --> 02:59:17,120
that stuff exists because we've got

4786
02:59:19,750 --> 02:59:18,399
something wrong and that's what they're

4787
02:59:21,190 --> 02:59:19,760
trying to do is figure out what have we

4788
02:59:22,469 --> 02:59:21,200
got wrong what do we what do we

4789
02:59:24,630 --> 02:59:22,479
miscalculate

4790
02:59:26,469 --> 02:59:24,640
uh and how does it work and that's where

4791
02:59:28,469 --> 02:59:26,479
you get the technology and you discover

4792
02:59:31,429 --> 02:59:28,479
it and you rule the world i'll tell you

4793
02:59:34,710 --> 02:59:31,439
what you learned in 47 years

4794
02:59:36,710 --> 02:59:34,720
not how to say the word um

4795
02:59:38,309 --> 02:59:36,720
in two and a half hours

4796
02:59:40,389 --> 02:59:38,319
you're incredible

4797
02:59:42,950 --> 02:59:40,399
thank you thank you jimmy grant you're

4798
02:59:44,790 --> 02:59:42,960
the absolute very best be safe

4799
02:59:47,190 --> 02:59:44,800
hundredth birthday yeah you know my

4800
02:59:49,429 --> 02:59:47,200
birthday is sunday too so it's a

4801
02:59:51,990 --> 02:59:49,439
pretty cool pretty cool week i'm 29

4802
02:59:52,950 --> 02:59:52,000
grant there you go i'm a year older than

4803
02:59:58,790 --> 02:59:52,960
you

4804
03:00:01,349 --> 02:59:58,800
are the absolute very best my friend and

4805
03:00:03,590 --> 03:00:01,359
all of grant's links and everything are

4806
03:00:06,710 --> 03:00:03,600
over at jimmychurchradio.com

4807
03:00:08,790 --> 03:00:06,720
so uh go follow check out the new books

4808
03:00:11,429 --> 03:00:08,800
and uh and i do want to thank i'm going

4809
03:00:13,990 --> 03:00:11,439
to say this one more time nicole sackett

4810
03:00:16,070 --> 03:00:14,000
thank you so much it's a great book

4811
03:00:18,309 --> 03:00:16,080
i'm your host jimmy church another one

4812
03:00:20,389 --> 03:00:18,319
down show number

4813
03:00:22,870 --> 03:00:20,399
1500

4814
03:00:25,030 --> 03:00:22,880
absolutely incredible and i celebrated

4815
03:00:26,710 --> 03:00:25,040
with grant cameron tonight thank you so

4816
03:00:28,870 --> 03:00:26,720
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4819
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4820
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4821
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4822
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4823
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4824
03:00:44,469 --> 03:00:42,080
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4825
03:00:45,990 --> 03:00:44,479
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4826
03:00:48,550 --> 03:00:46,000
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03:00:50,150 --> 03:00:48,560
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4831
03:00:58,469 --> 03:00:55,359
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4832
03:01:00,630 --> 03:00:58,479
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4833
03:01:02,230 --> 03:01:00,640
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4834
03:01:05,429 --> 03:01:02,240
night long i'm your host jimmy church

4835
03:01:07,590 --> 03:01:05,439
until tomorrow night everybody be safe

4836
03:01:09,269 --> 03:01:07,600
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4837
03:01:09,850 --> 03:01:09,279
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4838
03:01:11,429 --> 03:01:09,860
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4839
03:01:24,790 --> 03:01:11,439
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4840
03:01:24,800 --> 03:01:30,480
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